Glyphosate, Deuterium, and Ai with Stephanie Seneff, PhD

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With that, Dr. Stephanie Seneff has spent her career at MIT, beginning with a BS in biophysics and culminating as a senior research scientist, MIT's highest research rank in the computer science and artificial intelligence laboratory. She holds three other degrees from MIT, including a PhD in electrical engineering and computer science. Her interests for the past two decades have focused on the role of toxic chemicals and micronutrient deficiencies in health and disease, with a special emphasis on the pervasive herbicide glyphosate and the mineral sulfur. She's authored over 50 peer-reviewed journal papers on these topics. Her book on glyphosate, titled Toxic Legacy, How the Weed Killer Glyphosate is Destroying Your Health and the Environment, was released by Chelsea Publishers on July 1st, 2021. The book was selected by Kirkus Reviews as one of the best nonfiction books in 2021. Since 2019, she's become fascinated with the role of deuterium, heavy hydrogen, in health and disease, and the potential benefits of deuterium depleted water to healing. Together with collaborators, she has published several recent peer-reviewed papers on deuterium's potential role in disease processes. Welcome Stephanie

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Great to be here. Thank you.

TalkToMeGuy: And I'm I'm proud to say that I think I was one of the first people to interview

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: for I think you were a long time ago.

TalkToMeGuy: I know,'cause So many moon come chalked

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: off.

TalkToMeGuy: It really is. That we've We're still doing this.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: You're doing your thing extraordinarily.

TalkToMeGuy: And I'm doing my thing fairly well.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I

TalkToMeGuy: have now this is an completely off-schedule question.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: But I have to because I bumped into this

TalkToMeGuy: as I was studying and listening and watching videos and just everything. I piled through much material. How are the manatees? You and Jennifer Margulis wrote this wonderful paper years

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: ago. Oh, the manatees

TalkToMeGuy: and killing those beloved creatures.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I I'm so sad for the manatees and the mess in Florida and the Florida key, the whole um nightmare there in that precious area with uh with that swamp and everything where there's so much life and uh they're just uh dumping glyphosate into there and killing the manatees. It's very sad.

TalkToMeGuy: I don't know the most recent uh status, to be honest with you. I haven't looked recently, but I imagine it's not good. The only thing I've seen is that people are going and feeding the manatees cabbages.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Huh.

TalkToMeGuy: Not because they know that sulfur could do anything for them, but because they think it's about a food issue.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: They don't grow the concept that it's a toxin issue.

TalkToMeGuy: It's yeah, it's you know it's really sad that the glyphosate people there's a study that showed that when you put the glyphosate in the water, it gets sucked up by all that biomass that the manatees eat.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: So that it disappears from the water because it goes into the biomass, and then the manatees eat the glyphosate.

TalkToMeGuy: Since they're a semi permeable beings, aren't they also as uh absorbing a

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: tasty?

TalkToMeGuy: Their skin. Yeah.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I'm sure, yeah. It's very sad. I I love the manatees, and I I had a chance to see them in person, actually. We went down there into the uh Florida marshes on a boat and we got got up close to the manatees. So that was nice, but this was a long time ago.

TalkToMeGuy: I saw the manatees once. I was doing some work uh on an ozone system in Florida and I got to wander around and like bumped into them like, my God, what is that?

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Kind of thing.

TalkToMeGuy: And then they're just like this They're

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: like very gentle.

TalkToMeGuy: Very gentle, very, you know, uh they're not like alligators, that's for sure.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Well

TalkToMeGuy: alligators definitely look like they're up to trouble always.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: They are up to trouble.

TalkToMeGuy: They are like, what are you gonna eat that?

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: They're they're amazing creatures. But manatees are just like gentle beings flowing around floating around.

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah, being poisoned by people and

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: the dogs.

TalkToMeGuy: are destroying their own. Deuters, By the way, the dolphins down there in Florida have a a d condition that looks like Alzheimer's disease.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Which I I suspect is also due to glyphosate.

TalkToMeGuy: Wow. I look forward to a video on

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: that.

TalkToMeGuy: And now that you've retired, and I'm sort of laughing at when

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I first read this and like laughing, like, really, this is retirement? That's amazing. Yeah.

TalkToMeGuy: Um now that you've retired, you seem to be more busy than ever.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I didn't think that was possible. I agree with you. I'm like, why am I still working so hard? I'm not getting paid, but I don't mind because I love it. I'm I'm determined to figure out the biology, and I'm not there yet. There's still much more for me to learn, and that's where I'm I'm headed. And of course, I'm really enjoying the AI. I've had so much fun with the Substack page, which I really only launched last March. That's

TalkToMeGuy: a

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: good thing. And I had a lot of fun with that. And it's um and I've got a good collaborative collaborator, Victor Kazato, he's been great. We're both computer scientists, turned biologists, you know.

TalkToMeGuy: So that's a that's amazing. Yeah. Well uh we're gonna get there. Um I wanna back up for a moment because I want to talk about your original book, Toxic Legacy, which came out in 2021. And the show's uh available. I'll put this actually the sh the original show we did in 2021 in the show notes for

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: people who want to listen to that.

TalkToMeGuy: What has changed since then? And what would you say today that wasn't in the book?

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Oh, well, what I wanted to put into the book actually was deuterium, because I was starting to figure that out. I said 2019, December 2019 was when I first got a tip on deuterium.

It was a a a wonderful moment. I got email from Laszlo Boros, Professor Laszlo Boros, uh uh probably the most significant person working on deuterium, uh related to the United States. Most of the work is done in Russia, Ukraine, and in uh Hungary, so it's all eastern Europe with deuterium. The West is completely clueless about deuterium, even the scientists in the West hardly do, it seems to me.

You know, we have a small core crew and we're constantly in communication and we're all excited about it, but we don't know how to wake people up, you know. Anyway, he sent me an email and he congratulated me on a paper I had written together with Dr. Greg Nye. And then he said, Oh, by the way, you know, do you know about deuterium? And I didn't, so I responded, and then it's been a great relationship ever since we've published papers together and we're having a you know a lot of fun. So um trying to uh alert people to the um significance of deuterium. Deuterium is a natural element, it's it's heavy hydrogen. And I wanted to put deuterium into the book, but the but the book was too big and we were trying to shrink it that it uh the um publisher wasn't happy.

They wanted it to be less technical, uh smaller, you know, more fri more friendly. I had to completely rewrite the book. And at that time I wanted to put deuterium in as at least something in there on deuterium, and and they said no because it's already too big and deuterium's too complicated. People aren't interested, you know, all kinds of reasons why I shouldn't do it, so I didn't.

But I so I feel a little sad that it wasn't in the book because it is my major passion right now. And and glyphosate, of course, completely messes up the elegant system that the body has to manage deuterium. It's a it's a natural element. It's heavy hydrogen. It has an extra neutron, which makes it twice as heavy as hydrogen. It's everywhere in nature, everywhere hydrogen goes, deuterium goes. It's in small amounts relative to hydrogen, but that doesn't mean it's in small amounts because it's five times as much. There's five times as much deuterium in the blood as there is calcium.

TalkToMeGuy: And uh were there are organic sources for deuterium.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Are they well, it's everywhere.

TalkToMeGuy: You can't avoid it. Um and it's natural, you know.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I mean, it it's kind of like maybe m um minerals, you know. Well, like calcium and and and potassium, but it's uh it's a natural heavy isotope of hydrogen. Hydrogen is by far way in above uh the uh by far the highest element in the body. You know, we're based on hydrogen, um, basically. Hydrogen is the smallest, you know, it's the upper left corner of the uh periodic chart. It's involved in every reaction that happens.

It's very dynamic. Hydrogen is so important in the body. And then whenever there's a a deuterium atom where hydrogen should be, it changes the behavior of that molecule.

the body knows that. And we have all these enzymes that are really fancy, that they know how to keep deuterium out, and they produce a product that doesn't have deuterium, you know, where it could be. Um, so you have these deuterium depleted nutrients that are produced by the gut microbes and that feed the colonocytes and keep them healthy, it's really quite amazing. When you start looking, there's a lot of uh uh activity around gases, small molecular gases that contain hydrogen. The whole way that the body handles get glass gases, like ammonia, you know, and there's trimethylamine.

These are tribethylamine is produced by the gut microbes very low in deuterium. Ammonia is really interesting, and I did a real deep dive into ammonia. I published a paper recently, actually, um, it this last month, um, on the gases, just on the gases alone and how the body uses them to uh to strip out deuterium.

TalkToMeGuy: We we we excrete the like ammonia has two forms the ammonium ion and the ammonia gas.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: And I believe the gas is the version that has lost its deuterium. If there is a deuterium atom there, be NH3D as an ammonium ion plus how much chemistry people know, but the ammonium ion gets excreted through the urine, and the ammonia gas gets uh gets treasured and brought back into the body. There's a separation, there's a distillation process that happens in the kidneys to preserve a molecule that's low in deuterium, and then to use that molecule in ways to deliver that low deuterium protons to the mitochondria. The mitochondria care tremendously to keep their water low in deuterium. It's fascinating science.

TalkToMeGuy: It's quite difficult, as you can tell, right? You're probably not following entirely what I'm saying.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Um, but the microbes are amazing because they use molecular hydrogen, they make molecular molecular hydrogen. And I found a paper from 1961 that showed that

TalkToMeGuy: molecular hydrogen that was made by a

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: pseudomonas species had lost 80% of its deuterium. So it was very low. And then it gets used as a reducing agent to make organic molecules like the short chain fatty acids and also the methyl groups that feed into the methylation pathway, they're low in deuterium. I'm quite sure I'm right about that. And the methyl groups are very important in the whole methylation pathway. Fascinating stuff. It's really, I'm just completely engaged with the uh excitement of understanding the the basic role that deuterium plays in the way that metabolism works.

TalkToMeGuy: And does drinking hydrogenated water? Because I see a lot of devices.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I did a show with somebody, but I can't remember who. But there's a lot of devices, countertop, you

TalkToMeGuy: know, bubbling hydrogen into your water. Um theoretically. Is that having benefit to our bodies?

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I think so.

TalkToMeGuy: And in fact, I remember many years ago attending, you know, Western Price has the Wise Traditions Conference, which I went to for many years.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I really like the Western Price Foundation and Sally Fallon and her principles about good diet, you know, is basically fermented foods, high-fat diet, this kind of thing. Um, organ organs, you know, organ meats as a very nutritious source of um of uh um minerals and vitamins. Um anyway, uh, there was a woman who gave a one-hour presentation on hydrogen gas at at a meeting, I don't know, maybe 10 years ago. And I was really skeptical. I was like, I don't understand how this can possibly be true.

I had no idea, you know, no concept of how it could possibly be good for you. And um, and then once I discovered deuterium, I realized it that it is, and the reason is because deuterium tends to stay behind in the in the liquid phase. So when you, and and it's true for water vapor too, I believe.

If you see if you stand next to a big waterfall and it's spilling out water vapor, and you breathe that vapor, it's going to be low in deuterium because the deuterium tends to stay behind in the liquid form. And that's true for ice too. So when you have the glacier and the and it melts, you get the meltwater off the glacier, low in deuterium because the ice stays behind. Oh, the deuterium stays behind in the ice.

It's always staying behind in the more solid form. So the gas form of water, you know, water vapor is probably low in deuterium. And hydrogen gas that bubbles out of those uh, you know, the all those ways that they can deliver hydrogen gas to you is probably also low in deuterium. My guess is the hydrogen gas that the microbes make is even lower because they have enzymes that, in fact, it was shown the enzyme that is that makes hydrogen gas. The the microbes have enzymes that can make hydrogen gas by pulling protons off of molecules. And I think those enzymes are all probably producing hydrogen gas that's very low in deuterium, even lower than just the, you know, when you just have a physical process to get the hydrogen gas. So it's really crucial that your microbes can make hydrogen gas. And glyphosate sets up an inflammatory situation in the gut, which is providing uh oxygen, a reactive oxygen, it's not conducive to these anaerobic microbes that make the hydrogen gas.

So they die off. Then you don't have the hydrogen gas. Once you don't have that gas, you're really in trouble because you can't make those beautiful short term fatty short short chain fatty acids like butyrate. Butyrate is the by far the preferred food of the uh colonocides. It's made by the microbes. And they make it from fiber, you know. So when you eat a lot of dietary fiber, and so cabbage is great because it's got both the sulfur and the fiber.

Um you get um butyrate from the mic microbes, and that's is it a beautiful um nutrient. It there's a lot of it in butter, by the way. So we eat a lot of butter in this household, and uh butter has a lot of deuterate.

TalkToMeGuy: I'm a fan of butter. A big button.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah, I love I love butter. I I never switched to margin margarine my whole life. I always we always bought butter. I

TalkToMeGuy: mean as a child. I remember the child, my parents trying butter for about a week.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: It just it it It just didn't last. It didn't nobody liked it.

TalkToMeGuy: My mother liked to make uh

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: the margarine, you

TalkToMeGuy: mean, right? Yeah, the margarine. Um liked to make uh baked potatoes and like to slather them with butter and you know, like

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: make a meal out of a baked potato. Well, that's the same thing here. My mother never she hated the book margarine, she never

TalkToMeGuy: bought it.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: And so that's that's really fortunate for me. And then of course I continued that practice when I grew up.

TalkToMeGuy: You know, I there was a uh in the Wayback Machine for 20 years I was a working chef.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Oh, nice. There was some restaurants that would try to slip in, like, let's try using 50-50 butter and bar margarine. It's like, no.

TalkToMeGuy: I know either fire me or no.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: You know, remember the McDonald's French fries used to be really delicious. They were using lard, you

TalkToMeGuy: know, you know, and

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: then they switched over to these vegetable oils and their fr their French fries were terrible after that. I was really sad. I remember

TalkToMeGuy: they

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: became inedible.

TalkToMeGuy: One of the fast food places still does use tallow, but I can't ever remember who it is when I'm thinking I need French fries.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah.

TalkToMeGuy: Which is probably just as well.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: But there is one company that still uses tallow.

TalkToMeGuy: And recently I was at an event where they were doing uh fried chicken and and as well as other fried foods,

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: uh

TalkToMeGuy: fries. And they were using tallow, and everybody was just swooning and they had no idea.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah.

TalkToMeGuy: And then they were like, oh my god, tallow, isn't that bad for you? Like, you know, it's like the most amazing frying thing ever.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I know. It's so frustrating, isn't it? They managed to convince us to switch over to all these horrible vegetable oils instead of the natural um fats that come from the the the animals, you know, the pork fat and the and the tallow and the etc. The butter.

TalkToMeGuy: I still I still like uh a good quality olive oil is a what I would call it.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I use it too. Because it's on finish oil, not necessarily to cook with,

TalkToMeGuy: but to like drizzle over food as

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I'm about to eat it because it likes to be able to do that. And then salad dressing.

TalkToMeGuy: Salad dressing, yeah. Yeah.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah.

TalkToMeGuy: Uh we can do a whole anytime you want to do any AIs on food, just uh

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: let me know.

TalkToMeGuy: and I guess we'll jump to this. I have so many questions, but I want to jump to this wonderful thing that I wrote down about your the work you and Victor are doing.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Uh-huh.

TalkToMeGuy: That you have built the dream tool

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: to reduce the hostility of academic papers. That's my derivation of one of the videos I listened to talking about it.

TalkToMeGuy: It's like really, that is so true. Academic papers, which I spend way too much time reading and don't really have the background to completely understand them, are hostile.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah, they're very i it it's sad. You know, I sort of write papers that a lot of people don't want to read because they're too hard.

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I was really amazed at at the uh skill of the robots to be able to read that paper and then digest it and then to come back with a story around it that's quite accurate, you know, without um to be able to talk it down without actually losing the uh scientific merit content, you know. It's tricky.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, it's it's it's that it's not only the spoken word that I'm here, like as I watch the videos. I'll put uh the link to Stephanie Subzak in the show notes and in the here. Um what what blows my mind. Well, it blows my mind, uh, because you're taking these very technical subjects, and yet the AI is producing sort of not cartoonish, but definitely sort of an animated kind of you know, high quality PowerPoint visuals that flow with these wonderful voices that talk about it.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yes, I'm actually incredulous at the at the uh skills that the AI has at this point because you know, I was an early developer of these systems, and back in the day we we built our first conversational computer conversational system back in like 1990 and um and it was pretty pathetic, you know. The recognition wasn't very good, so you got a lot of errors, and then um but you we could we had a system you could call up on the telephone. It was really very uh pioneering at that time.

And you could ask about the weather, you know, and the system would come back and report the weather for various uh cities in the United States. And that was a lot of fun. Um, but it was um really a challenge to build them, and then there were so many ways that they they could break. They were very fragile. And um, and at the time, and of course, it was also issue with timing, uh, too slow. So uh we kind of wondered whether anybody would ever get to the point where our tech what the work we were doing was gonna ever be useful, you know. We just felt like it was so far away from being practical. And it's amazing to me. I get very annoyed with these, you know, you call up uh the uh on the phone, you get the robot talking to you, you

TalkToMeGuy: know, to answer several questions before you can finally get to a human being. Yeah.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: And I get frustrated every time I do that, and I feel like I was one of the people who developed the technology that made that happen, you know.

TalkToMeGuy: Yes.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah.

TalkToMeGuy: And and how did you well, how did you and Victor meet and start doing this? Did you had you worked on other projects together?

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Or did you just sort of like stumble into each other and just like this?

TalkToMeGuy: He asked me to do an interview with him, and it was a delightful interview. We really resonated. You know, we just had so much fun.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Um and then we did another interview. We only started with interviews, and then it and then we he sort of said, Oh, you know, I have this technology, be happy to help you out with. And so we we just got uh it uh escalated and we're having a lot of fun. Now we're starting to develop a uh um a game for well, a sort of a an educational tool where you can uh it turns out of course we get a lot of help from what's already in place.

That's the thing. These days you don't have to write your own code, you just go find somebody else's code and use that, you know. So we have this um we're taking our papers and and sending them through a question answering. There's a program that can generate uh multiple choice questions around topics in the paper. And then we're setting up a whole platform for um for people to take a quiz. Like it could like taking uh an SAT, right? You read a you read something and then you ask answer questions, multiple choice questions about it, um, to help people have a have a way to uh retain information in the papers. And it's all based on our papers, so we don't we don't give it anything other than our papers to generate multiple choice questions.

TalkToMeGuy: Oh, so you're so you're in a certain way, uh, this is an old term, sandboxing. You're sandboxing your data. Yeah.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: You're sandboxing the scope of data that the AI can be allowed to search in. Yeah, yeah, but it's basically just a tool that uh uh that creates uh multiple choice questions out of a document. And you just feed it a document generates questions, and then we just put those questions up um as a sort of learning tool for people who want to really absorb, see if they have actually understood a paper, they have to answer those questions. Um and then they can get um i it's like a game that can get scores, you know, higher scores for doing well type of thing.

TalkToMeGuy: Right. And somewhere uh I've listened and read so much by now I

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: don't remember the where,

TalkToMeGuy: but I remember you being surprised that the AI actually found some errors in something, some of the papers that you had written.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Oh, it was amazing. I mean, really enjoying the AI I send it my paper and let it critique it before I put it out, you know. This has been a great process. And it could be um hard to take as chat GPT will really uh tear your paper to

TalkToMeGuy: shred.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah, and of course it often says, well, that paper didn't actually talk about deuterium, so you really shouldn't be, you know, it it it um I reference papers uh to support ideas around something that involves deuterium where that paper never mentions deuterium. I have to do that in order to um explain how it works, you know. And um anyway, it did find it said that I had the wrong units for a table that I had in my paper, and it said, you know, I had the right data, and he confirmed it based on the paper that I had referenced.

It checked that. It said, but your units are wrong. And he said, actually the units in the paper that you referenced were also wrong in the same way, you know, because they had it had looked at the numbers and it figured out that it couldn't be right. It understood the numbers in the table w would be based on some other metric, and told me what the metric would be. And then I I went back to the paper, and the paper had actually mentioned that it had used that technique, but it it made a mistake.

The paper I referenced made a mistake in in the table that I used. And and it caught that. That's the degree of um smartness, you know, of talent that the chat GPT has. And it actually just recently came up with two new papers that I wasn't aware of that were great to reference, um, supporting my work. So I was writing you know the paper and I had something he said, you know, by the way, this paper right here would be really good for you to use to reference here. It would strengthen your argument.

And it was absolutely right. It found a paper that showed that acetate had low deuterium. And I've been claiming that it would because it comes from that hydrogen gas, but this paper is a recent, much more recent paper that showed that the paper that I use uh to support is 1961, you know.

TalkToMeGuy: I've been looking for something more recent. And this was much more recent. It's more like maybe 20, I don't know, 28 or something, 2008, something like that. Forget exactly, but it was after 2000. Um that showed that acetate has low degerium. So I was really delighted to see that. That the computer found, you know. That's amazing. And so so the the chat GPT you're working with can go out into the world, so to speak.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah, well, it looks at the references, yes, it can, you're right, into the world, because that was not a paper that was anywhere near what I had.

TalkToMeGuy: It just went and found it.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah, So that was great. Um I appreciate ChatGPT. And it'll find all kinds of, you know, little things like just formatting in the references and stuff like that. So it's really skilled.

TalkToMeGuy: I I do a lot of work with Claude because I uh grew up dyslexic. So I have a hard time reading.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: And

TalkToMeGuy: I have a hard time writing. I can obviously talk or evidently

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: talk, but I can't write very well.

TalkToMeGuy: So a lot of times what I'll do is I'll just talk something out and then give it to Claude and he'll clean it up for me and it makes me sound like so much better.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I think that it's going to be hard, harder and harder to tell the difference between a paper that was written completely by a human being versus one that was written completely by robots, you know. I think it's going to be very hard for the industry, the publishing industry is struggling with how to deal with um the availability of all these, you know, language things that can just generate language.

And I'm having trouble struggling with that too. To what extent can I make the paper really be mine when it's so easy to let the uh AI improve it, you know? You take a paragraph and let the AI make it better, uh, why not do that? And then they're starting to say, yes, you can do that. You know, the the industry is confused about exactly what it wants to allow in terms of using AI and then to people to come forward with what what they are doing when they write a paper, you know.

It's sort of impossible these days to write a paper without any use of AI, because when you do a search engine, you know, it just kind of automatically uh becomes more than just here's some hits.

TalkToMeGuy: Right.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Um so it's really an interesting time.

TalkToMeGuy: And do you see down the road that we want to have some kind of I don't know, stamp, label, acknowledgments. Uh I don't know what the word is.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Um it's hard, right? I mean, because even when you if they have tools, of course, that can t can uh make a score for how much uh uh did you use AI, and those aren't necessarily accurate either, because you know, common language, if you are a good writer, you write language that is very similar to what the AI produces. How can you actually tell whether you wrote it or they wrote it, you know? If you get really good at writing, you can end up looking like an AI.

TalkToMeGuy: So it's very hard for them to even know how much you used, I think. Yeah.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah, it's really hard. Wow.

TalkToMeGuy: So that so, let's pretend. So somebody takes all your papers and

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: you've written a lot.

TalkToMeGuy: So so somebody could build a book of their own out of your data, but in the words of the how they lean the AI that they're working with or Teltep BT, this is how I want to written. They could scrape your data and make a book.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Probably, yeah, I

TalkToMeGuy: think so. It's

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: gonna be interesting to see where uh how the publishing industry moves forward because of course education is another one where I really am puzzled as far as how to deal with the AI within the framework of education. You know, some colleges are very strict about not using AI when you do your homework, and then other ones uh aren't. And then and yet you need to learn how to use AI because that's going to be important for the future. So you won't learn how to use it if you can't use it, you know. So it's sort of um a tricky thing, really, to know how to educate um in this modern world. And of course, computer science used to be you had to ch teach people how to write code.

TalkToMeGuy: Right.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Writing writing code is useless now, pretty much, you know.

TalkToMeGuy: I hear people just like screaming as you say that.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: But it's true. I

TalkToMeGuy: mean, I like I say, I was a des DOS technical writer, and so I had some DOS skills, but then back then that meant nothing. Yeah. Yeah. Today, you know, you couldn't really create anything.

I mean, you could make a little game or you know, make the ball bounce back and forth, but there was nothing really leading into that time. But now it's amazing to me how uh how authors or publishers that I work with on a regular basis, like Chelsea Green.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: You know, I talked to some of them backstage and they're they're a little like, no, we don't know. Right.

TalkToMeGuy: Because you how how are we gonna know if somebody publishes a book under their name, but it's from really AI wrote it for them in their style.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah, and then the big question really comes to how much does that person really know about what they wrote, right? Because a person can write a very complicated biology paper and not understand what they wrote,

TalkToMeGuy: you know, because the computer wrote it.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: And then those papers have actually even been accepted by journals because there's uh, you know, they've discovered some cases where someone suddenly started writing lots of papers on technical topics um who who didn't really have, you know, the background or it was like too unbelievable that a person could suddenly be able to write so many papers, whereas before they couldn't, you know. You know they're using AI. And you don't know to what extent they're learning at the same time.

That's the whole question, I think, with education. You can use AI to write your report for you such that you didn't really do anything. And then you didn't really have a learning experience. I think that's the whole issue with the education system.

To what extent does a person actually learn as they're using AI versus just use it to get by on something, some assignment without actually learning anything, because the whole purpose of the assignment is to learn something, you know.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, and the idea, I mean, in a weird way, I learned for a living. Because, you know, so like I had to study for your show on the the guest last weekend, and I guess you know, I've done a thousand hours. So I've done a lot of studying, which I enjoy.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Right.

TalkToMeGuy: But I

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: know people who don't enjoy that as much as I do. Yeah, I love learning. And I'm so pleased that I still love learning at my age.

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah, me too. I'm so happy about that. And as I said, I'm still learning. I mean, I'm really deep into

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: epigenetics right now, and I'm so fascinated by the methylation pathways and the acetylation, deacetylation pathways and this phosphorylation. I mean, it's all this stuff that modifies proteins, and then the protein becomes a completely different protein because there's a phosphate there all of a sudden. It's just so it the uh complexity of biology is unbelievable, and it's so fascinating to me. And I want so much to understand at the core level exactly what is going on there, you know. Uh, how the body makes all that work.

And I'm sure that deuterium plays a major role in in that whole process, how it decides um what to do and at the level of modifying these proteins. It's really interesting.

TalkToMeGuy: I think it'd be fun for you and Bruce Lipton to have a conversation.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I wonder if I can set that up. Yeah.

TalkToMeGuy: Wow, that would be

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: amazing.

TalkToMeGuy: Because um I have a saying in in health with epigenetics, we're gonna now we're gonna jump to epigenetics because you mentioned it, that I think it is so I think that miss I don't know, missed angle with epigenetics to me is it's a potential. It's not a given, it's

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: a potential. And

TalkToMeGuy: people, as soon as people hear genetics, they're like, that's it. I because it's genetics, I'm gonna have that, and it's a thing. It's like, no, you have to have the setup, you have the epigenetic potential of something, but that doesn't mean you're going to.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Right. I mean, I think that people like to say, oh, it's my genes and therefore I can't help it, you know.

TalkToMeGuy: It's just too bad I have these genes.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: And that's really the wrong way to look at it. Um, because and of course you your genes change because when you have cancer, those cancer cells have learned how to increase their r rate of mutation. So they're able to adapt very quickly.

And that's part of their point. You know, they are um constantly uh growing, you know, making more cells. And every time they do that, they have a risk of getting another mutation in there. And they've got a mutating environment because there's lots of oxidation, you know, oxidation going on, and they're getting stressed by radio, all this treatment that's going on is giving them even more chance to uh to mutate so that the cancer outsmarts the treatment in many cases. It becomes those cells in the in the cancer in the tumor that have figured out how to mutate into such a way that they're protected from the chemic chemical that's attacking them, then they're able to grow, and now the cancer gets strengthened because it no longer cares about that poison that you're giving it to try to kill it, you know.

That new those new cells are much more tuned to the environment they're in to be able to survive. Uh and then the cancer becomes uh untreatable, you know, because it and it becomes metastasized. I mean, they get the cancer cells are very smart, but they increase their rate of mutation, which is clever because then they have more opportunity to get a mutation that's going to help them.

TalkToMeGuy: Cancer cells are clever.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: That's the other cell. No, it's true. No,

TalkToMeGuy: no, this is like I say, this is a this would be a great conversation for you and and Lipton, because it's that same perspective of no, it's not cells are clever, but they don't they're not evil.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: They're just clever. They're just there to survive and thrive. They're more than that. I mean, I if you've read any of my articles on cancer in my Substack page, I'm having a lot of fun with cancer. I have a new one coming out, actually, the one I just mentioned that it found the paper uh to to support my work. Um I think cancer is actually working very hard. The tumor is working very hard to try to heal the mitochondria of the immune cells that are that are in the tumor microenvironment. So the immune cells swarm in.

This is known. But they don't attack the tumor. They stand down, and that's because the tumor tells them to stand down. But it's really because they're sick and they can't really uh fight the tumor because they don't have enough, they're not healthy enough to fight the tumor. And so the cancer, I think, comes because the immune system is sick, and then the cancer is there to try to uh fix the immune system problems, especially the mitochondria in the immune cells so that they can kill the cancer. The cancer is trying to help the immune system to get them to the point where they're strong enough to kill it. Does that make sense? Yes.

TalkToMeGuy: But how do you take the how do you take the patient to that edge?

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: You've got to get them out of the toxic environment. I like to talk about this article that I read in the New York Times many years ago, probably a decade ago, but I remember it because it was striking. It was this guy who was in America, I think he was in Philadelphia, but I'm not sure he was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer, stage four lung cancer. The doctor said we can't really do anything for you.

Just prepare your will, you know, get your life in order, prepare to die. So he thought, well if I'm going to prepare to die, I might as well go back to where I grew up, which was this island off the coast of Greece, on the ridge crest of of the of the Mediterranean Sea, where there's lots of sulfur for one thing, which sulfur is very important for your health. And then basalt rock, you know, very healthy soil completely organic. This island these people didn't know about toxic chemicals. They often slept on the ground at night, apparently that it was a, you know, he went back there because he had some old buddies from way back. He thought I'll just die there. He lived another 30 years. And the New York Times article was about him 30 years later, you know, so he recovered from the tumor that was fourth stage lung cancer by simply getting into a healthy environment.

TalkToMeGuy: Wow. Well I've seen in my um well that's a whole other conversation ozone when I was studying medical use of the ozone before it was even possible to be done in the United States because they were busting doctors for using medical ozone. I went down to Mexico and studied in a bunch of clinics and they were well let's take example the Gerson

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: clinic

TalkToMeGuy: where they do a lot of juicing and coffee enemas and really they put you on a strict pure clean diet mostly liquid. But they've had a lot of success eliminating

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: cancer

TalkToMeGuy: because they get the body into such a healthy state.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: That's the thing because the reason why you have the cancer is because your immune system is sick. The immune cells are very very important. You know the stem cells they are so important mesochymal stem cells because they can they can become anything and they'll go into some place and help out some tissue as long as they're healthy. But if they're not healthy you are in really big trouble. You know and then of course you have a lot of when you get treated with cancer you become very susceptible to to infection you know so you get a lot of diseases and you can you know die from pneumonia because the immune system is so sick it can't it can't uh clear the pneumonia so I think um you really your problem I think most diseases trace back to immune system dysfunction which specifically is mitochondrial dysfunction in the immune cells. And so the cancer is actually prepared to try to fix them. And it's it's really cool because it's all this exchange of mitochondria I've been reading a lot of papers about cancer and of course they've studied it pretty deeply so they understand that these mitochondria get shipped around the immune cells give mitochondria to the cancer cells and the cancer cells give mitochondria back to the immune cells. There's a lot of exchanging of mitochondria among all the cells in the tumor microenvironment including other cells the stromal cells other cells that are hanging out in the tumor microenvironment even these mesenchymal stem cells come in and they give their uh mitochondria to the immune cells so everybody's trying to help the immune cells I think to maintain healthy mitochondria um the um the industry views it as a hostile uh stealing of the mitochondria on the part of the of the cancer cells that they're stealing the mitochondria from the immune cells I think it's they're more like a um a service they're actually a hospital repairing the mitochondria so they take the mitochondria from the immune cells they fix them and then they give them back that's what I think the cancer cell is actually a nursery to fix the mitochondria for the immune cells so that they can uh become strong again

TalkToMeGuy: and then how do we does the does the cancer eventually um I'll call it fade to black how does the does the cancer eventually again the vitality of the system returns to such a high

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: state

TalkToMeGuy: or normal state that eventually the cancer goes away because it realizes it's no longer valuable?

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Right and it stops sending the can the immune cells these signals that tell them to stand down because now they're strong enough to fight and the cancer cell is happy to die as long as the immune cells are happy are strong enough to kill it.

TalkToMeGuy: You know it's kind of a

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: they need to fix the immune cells first before they can die. And then when you when you attack them with all these toxic chemicals that they throw at the cancer that the cancer cells get sick and then the immune cells can no longer be supported by the cancer cells because the cancer cells can't keep their mitochondria healthy anymore if they're being poisoned by all these chemicals that are thrown at

TalkToMeGuy: them. And

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: then the immune cells get worse and then your immune system gets worse in general and then maybe you die of an infection you know or you get autoimmune disease. I mean all these things happen

TalkToMeGuy: when people get treated with these chemotherapy

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: and radiation and all that kind of stuff you know it's the wrong way to to move with cancer I think Powell, Jr.:

TalkToMeGuy: And are you familiar with uh William Levy's uh MDs writing on both high dose vitamin C and or possibly ozone IV

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: ozone yes I've certainly s uh heard about that, yes. Uh-huh.

TalkToMeGuy: And because again, uh I've interviewed him a couple of times. And I'm a fan of ozone for lots of reasons.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I used to design uh

TalkToMeGuy: resort spas uh uh wanted chemical-free water, so we'd put in a high power ozone systems to purify the water

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: and

TalkToMeGuy: leave it clear and beautiful. And

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: so instead you put it into the body, and I think that's one of the things that's always had my sort of thought about ozone. Yeah.

TalkToMeGuy: Is that again they used it at the Gersing Clinic with some of the patients. And I think their state of vitality would get so strong that they would begin to heal.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: And I think I think the ozone would help that process.

TalkToMeGuy: Possibly.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Well, I think it's I even have a way that it could do it through deuterium because uh I've

TalkToMeGuy: written about hydrogen peroxide.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Ozone probably generates hydrogen peroxide, right? Yes. Yes, and so hydrogen peroxide is really interesting, and I've written about that. It's quite fascinating because the um so NADH oxidase, uh, you know, uh ships out O2 minus, which is a very reactive oxygen superoxide, ships it out out outside the cell, produces O2 minus outside the cell, and then that gets oxidized.

Um, there's, um, let's see, catalase. Catalase converts it to hydrogen peroxide, and then hydrogen peroxide gets taken into the cell and actually gets taken into the mitochondria, and there it gets oxidized into two molecules of water by glutathione peroxidase. And then that then glutathione is that whole peroxidase system in the mitochondria is turning low deuterium hydrogen peroxide into low deuterium water, I think. So the hydrogen peroxide that's produced is low in deuterium because the catalase enzyme has a what's called the deuterium kinetic isotope effect that's high. Uh deuterium kinetic isotope effect is a measure of how much that enzyme can distinguish hydrogen from deuterium and prefer hydrogen. Usually it prefers hydrogen.

There's a few of them that are actually prefer deuterium, which is also quite interesting. But it'll um it'll reject the um i i if there's a uh if there's a deuterium molecule, it will um it will fuse it and and prefer to take a hydrogen molecule to produce the hydrogen peroxide from the water. So that um the hydrogen peroxide gets uh actively imported into the cell, into the mitochondria, and that's where it can get converted into deuterium depleted water. So I think that hydrogen peroxide is actually a useful thing. We have all kinds of uh autoimmune diseases that are based on, you know, um inflammation, which produces hydrogen peroxide. I think that whole system is a mechanism to deliver low deuterium water to the mitochondria.

TalkToMeGuy: Um Levy's also done work, I can't remember, I think he wrote a book about the hydrogen peroxide nebulization. Um

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yes,

TalkToMeGuy: uh-huh. he went to Mexico um well, I think on vacation and ended up visiting uh his his wife is from Mexico and ended up villa visiting a village, and a lot of the people were having not necessarily COVID, but bronchial issues. He had them nebulizing a dilute solution of hydrogen peroxide in the neck.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: There you go. Yeah.

TalkToMeGuy: It's 30 minutes a day. And the village was like, wanted to make him a

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: god.

TalkToMeGuy: Because it

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: just seemed, you know, I mean, here they are using these very simple little nebulizers, not swanky hospital

TalkToMeGuy: nebulizers, just very simple just basically oscillates the hydrogen peroxide into a mist and you inhale it.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Right,

TalkToMeGuy: yeah, it totally makes sense, right? Because that's a way to deliver the hydrogen peroxide to the um to the lungs.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah. And then uh I guess it all depends on whether that hydrogen peroxide is low in deuterium or not. That's the tricky thing.

TalkToMeGuy: Because when the catalase makes it, it is, but I don't know. We don't have enough studies. We need a lot more studies. People aren't even aware to study this stuff, so that there's very little

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: fact, you know, a lot of it's theoretical.

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah. And I'll say that in my own experience of using nebulous hydrogen peroxide, but some I have allergies sometimes. I live in Northern California in an

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: area which has the most grasses of any place in the United States.

TalkToMeGuy: So sometimes you get a little sneezy. I'll do a day or two of hydrogen peroxide vaping two or three times a day, and it's just gone.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: That's really great. That's neat.

TalkToMeGuy: And it's so simple and dumb. It's just this little countertop debulizer, and it's not and it's easy. I mean, it couldn't be easier to do and cheaper.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah. It's uh it's interesting. Uh, people think uh NADH oxidase, you know, is mostly to kill, like in the in the um in the gut, you you get nox, you know, uh getting activated by infection, and then you get the NADH oxidase is dumping out um superoxide, which can kill the bugs, which is true, you know. So that's another role for it. But it's also, I think, a source of deuterium depleted water to uh for the mitochondria through this process that involves glutathione.

TalkToMeGuy: That's amazing. I think I keep uh pretty high levels of glutathione uh in my system because I've taken knack every day for years.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah, exactly.

TalkToMeGuy: That's a really good, yeah. That's partially because I've always lived around vineyards.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Ah.

TalkToMeGuy: They're always out there at the middle of, you know, like just pre-dawn. They're out there in full hazmat suits spraying the fields. And I'm thinking, why are they wearing a full hazmat suit and I'm breathing at mist?

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah, interesting.

TalkToMeGuy: So I've taken knack for decades.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Uh-huh. Uh

TalkToMeGuy: that leads me into the uh wine maker article. I forget if

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: you

TalkToMeGuy: did you do an article.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Did you do a um a thing on Substack about this?

TalkToMeGuy: I can't remember where the We did, yes.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Okay, that's why. She she she contacted me and she said, I know I'm interested and I I'm a winemaker and I I want to, you know, make a case for uh red wine being okay, because we're we've gotten really um down on alcohol lately, you know.

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah, yeah.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: And one of the reasons I think why alcohol is much more dangerous now than it used to be, is because glyphosate suppresses the enzyme. This is what I believe. There's a critical enzyme, aldehyde dehydrogenase, acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, which I don't know if you know the chemistry, but ethanol is the alcohol, and then it gets converted into acetate, which is a terrific fuel that goes right into the mitochondria to make ATP in two steps, and in between there's acetaldehyde, and acetaldehyde is the problem. It can be very reactive, it can damage the liver. You know, you don't want acetaldehyde hanging around.

So there's an enzyme, acetaldehyderogenase that that detoxes acetaldehyde and converts it into acetate, which is you know, acetylcoinzyme A is the is the core nutrient that feeds into the citric acid cycle in the mitochondria to make ADP. So that's a super superfuel. Acetate is a superfuel. But the ethanol has to get to acetate via acetaldehyde.

That's the problem. So as long as you have a really healthy acetaldehyde dehydrogenase in your liver, and even in the gut, probably that can turn it into acetate very quickly, it's okay. It it doesn't stick around long enough to cause harm. But glyphosate almost, I mean, I feel quite confident that glyphosate suppresses acetaldehyde dehydrogenase. Um it actually has was shown to suppress a dozen different dehydrogenases in E.

coli in the study. And also there was a study on on soil bacteria where it showed that um collectively, all of the dehydrogenases, their activity went down over time for three weeks following an administration of glyphosate. So it's pretty clear to me that glyph dehydrogenas are sensitive to glyphosate categorically, and that is a huge problem with respect to deuterium, it's a huge problem. Because they are very uh they play an important role in managing deuterium.

TalkToMeGuy: And uh I I found Jennifer's materials and I was reading about them, and I was well, I won't name their name, but there's a winemaker in uh northern Sonoma County that has been making biodynamic wines for since the 60s.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Nice.

TalkToMeGuy: And they had their their vineyards are up on a hill, so they don't get exposed to a lot of other you know, spray

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: and

TalkToMeGuy: that's really fortunate. Yeah. And uh a sad event occurred with them where they were finding it was traced, but it was still in there. They were finding uh glyphosate in their wine because of what

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: the water

TalkToMeGuy: table. The the pollution on the water table.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I know, it's really sad because then Hunnickett actually measured uh

TalkToMeGuy: glyphosate levels in a number of different wines in California.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: She found it in all of them, but the the biodynamics were much lower.

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: But they did they weren't zero. It's sad.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, it's sad because it was one of my favorite red wines. They had amazing and made amazing roan wines. You know, delicious full-bodied and that Cheffee thing kicks in where it's like, oh no, that's so bad.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: But you know, Jennifer's the one who found that uh that the red uh wine produces these phenol compounds that actually uh make help acromantia mucinophila thrive. And acromancia is a really interesting microbe in the gut. There have been a lot of papers about it recently. Acromantia actually produces a protein called P9, which stimulates the human endocrine cells in the gut to produce GLP1, which is the uh hormone that the GLP1 uh analogs are pretending to be, you know. So we have like a 12% of our population are now on these GLP1 analogs. We go be, you know, you probably know about that, right?

TalkToMeGuy: Yep.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: And um but if you drink red wine, you get something that actually stimulates the production of acromancer, which produces P9, which encourages your own body to make GLP1. So the red wine actually can perhaps contribute to health uh solving the obesity problem, which is quite interesting. She she found that. I I didn't know about that. I knew about acromancia, and I've been really I've read a lot of papers about them. They're very interesting because they are they're really important, healthy microbe in the gut. And they live on the on the uh sulfamucins that are produced by the by the human host cells that that line the gut barrier, the sulfur mucins.

They're sulf sulf sulfur containing, right? Complex sulfur containing uh sugar molecules, complex sugar chains, um, that the is the exclusive food of the acromancia. And then the pro the acromantia then allow those to get converted into the short chain fatty acids that are so crucial for the health of the gut, which are the low deteriorant nutrients, you know. So the there's a big cycle around where the acromancia feeds this the the uh c col colonocides um the um butyrate, and then in turn the butyrate, the colonocytes produce the sulfamusins that the acromantia can live on.

It's a cycle that they thrive. But the sulfur sulfation system is a train wreck with glyphosate. I wrote a lot about that in my book. So the sulfamus are are not in good supply, uh, which is causing acromancia not to be healthy, I think, is what's going on. But there's a paper that shows that uh acromancy are particularly sensitive to glyphosate. So the whole thing really works quite well.

TalkToMeGuy: And can I assimilate uh sulfures through my tissues?

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Well, what do you mean by assimilate?

TalkToMeGuy: Uh can I absorb, get the uh well, it'll be cut to the chase. I have a thing for organic hot water,

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: meaning not chemically treated hot water, but just like out of the earth, it comes high sulfur.

TalkToMeGuy: Oh, it's hot springs. We're talking about hot springs.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Right, sulfur hot springs are fantastic.

TalkToMeGuy: Okay.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I was really delighted when I was in Taiwan to be able to uh experience sulfur hot springs there. Um they're they're great. Yeah, you can absorb sulfur through the skin, is what you're asking, right?

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah, yes. Yes.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: And in fact, I routinely use Epson salt, uh Epton salt. I really believe in that as a way to get magnesium and sulfate through the skin. Okay.

TalkToMeGuy: I'd rather go to a hot springs, but yes.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I know, that's much nicer.

TalkToMeGuy: When I was traveling around doing ozone systems, we specialized in resorts and spas.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Oh, how sad.

TalkToMeGuy: Um and I like to go to places that had organic. I've been to places like in New Mexico, where they're really just holes dug in the earth.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I mean, just like that too. a lot of hot tubs.

TalkToMeGuy: In Idaho, up in the mountains of Idaho, I went to a uh very outdoorsy, very natural

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: hot springs, which was really lovely. And

TalkToMeGuy: I I worked on a resort in the spa up in uh northern way up in Northern California, and they had seven different kinds of organic water, and

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: one of them is high in sulfur, and everybody avoided the sulfur one because it's stank. And of course it smelled, and I'm like, great, that smells like sulfur. I love that. So

TalkToMeGuy: I was always

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: soaking in the sulfur springs because everybody else was like, oh my God, you smell like

TalkToMeGuy: potatoes.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: They go to Yellowstone and hang out near the Yes, yeah. I

TalkToMeGuy: think that there's a lot of, you know, the ancients knew in some way they had they knew the benefits and benefits of taking the waters. Mm-hmm.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I think so. I mean, all the natural stuff, even just as I I'm always an advocate of being outside in the sunlight. I really believe in sunshine,

TalkToMeGuy: uh sunlight exposure,

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: walking on the beach, in the water, get good grounding. You know, I believe in all of those things.

TalkToMeGuy: Um I know that we've done shows on on vitamin D and the benefits of sunshine and

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: and

TalkToMeGuy: I still live to this day, I think I quote you when I say that, you know, Stephanie Seneff says the best thing you can do for sunburn is get a tan.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yes, that's right. Absolutely. I think that's the whole natural way. You know, you in the spring, you get outside, get get your tan going before you hit the summer sun, so you don't burn in the and in the sun. You keep on slathering on the sunscreen, you don't you don't tan. And now the time you don't didn't forgot to bring your sunscreen, you get burnt.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, and I've never liked the idea. I always hate these commercials, and they come and go where they'll have kind of some kind of like new, you know, thing that's at the beach where you can spray some kind of goo onto your skin.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah.

TalkToMeGuy: Um

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I just think it's you know, it's just using the sun to photodrive all those chemicals right into your tissues. I know. It's scary, isn't it? There's nasty things in those sunscreens. They've got aluminum, you know, it's really

TalkToMeGuy: um

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: it's really crazy. And they're very hard on the on the coral too, like here in Hawaii. They uh they re don't let you, they have signs, you know, don't use the sunscreen because you're gonna kill the coral.

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Wow.

TalkToMeGuy: They're actually saying that out loud.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: That's wonderful. Yeah, it's it's sad because the coral is really a lot worse than it was even 20 years ago. Um the glyphosate is probably killing it too. So you know, you don't get around. Uh we are so enamored of toxic chemicals, and I don't understand how we can think that it's okay to put all these chemicals, not just glyphosate, you know, we have all kinds of different herbicides and insecticides and fungicides that we throw onto our food supply, and then we wonder why we're so sick, you know. We have to we have to understand. At the government level, we have to understand that we cannot keep doing this. We're we're gonna kill ourselves off if we continue on this path, I think, because we've got reproductive issues.

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah, I well, I mean, this uh wow, I I mean to bring this up. Um truly a hundred years ago, it seems like when I first started doing environmental research and work, I was at a conference again in Northern California. And the conference was about water purification and the forest and just j water in general in a general big picture. And one of the speakers was talking about and what what had brought them into that world was there had been an article on of all things one of those tra the National Inquirer.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: And the article was this was a picture of an alligator and the and the spin, but it was a spin, was that the alligators in Florida were having a hard time reproducing because the male alligators' penises were getting smaller. Oh my

TalkToMeGuy: conference, what the three-day conference was around was yes, of course they are, because of all the toxins in the water and the shrinkage was

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: caused by that. And yes,

TalkToMeGuy: they were having low sperm counts, and yes, they were gonna have a hard time breeding because of those sperm accounts. And that was the beginning of me being in the world of environmental health and water. Was like 40 years ago.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: You know, if that's happening to the alligators, what's it doing to us, right?

TalkToMeGuy: Yes. Yeah.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: It's pretty logical. We're not that different from the alligator.

TalkToMeGuy: How can you send your little child in to like splash in the waves like, yeah, that's good.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Really?

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah. Maybe not.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Well, you know, the reproductive rate has gone way down. Many c uh countries in the West have

TalkToMeGuy: far far below 2.0, which is what you need to be to sustain life, right?

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Right in the long run. Uh we're on a path of extinction right now.

TalkToMeGuy: And if that happens, Mother Earth will just start over.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah,

TalkToMeGuy: I'm I'm okay with that.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I know. I have I actually did finally reach the point where it was like, okay, that's fine.

TalkToMeGuy: If we disappear, if that's what it takes. it takes for us to clean it up. Okay.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: And we all the other animals will be very happy to see us gone, right?

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah, they can thrive again.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah. I

TalkToMeGuy: just

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: it's I I'm with you. I'm on the same team of

TalkToMeGuy: how much how long can we poison the planet and think that's okay.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Exactly. That's why I really wish that um the governments I mean the governments can regulate and that can have a big effect. Oh, I I support, I really work hard on the public, like just educate the

TalkToMeGuy: public to know that you need to eat organic.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: And the consumer, consumer, consumers have a lot of power. If they're willing to refuse to buy the food unless it's certified organic, that's gonna hurt the farmers who are not producing certified organic food, right? They're gonna have to do something, either close shop or switch over to certified organic if they want to survive. If we just demand it as consumers, they'll have to produce it. And then that can go a long ways, even if the government never says, you know, you can't.

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah, you can't. There

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: we go.

TalkToMeGuy: It'd be amazing for the government to say that. I I grew up in the um Salinas Val, well, in Carmel.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: But we would drive up to

TalkToMeGuy: visit my grandparents every couple of weeks in Palo Alto, before it was Silicon Valley. And it was a big game to stick your head out of the car and get crop dusted.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Oh no.

TalkToMeGuy: Driving other one. And I'm old enough that that was probably DGT.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Oh, it probably was. I know, because they actually were kind of saying, you know, protect yourself from the mosquitoes, right?

TalkToMeGuy: Was that what it was? The mosquitoes, yeah.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Well, also they were crop dusting. I mean, they were literally dusting, they were spraying crops. Yes. But um the reason for you to want to get exposed.

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah,

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I think maybe had to do with mosquitoes. I'm not sure, actually. I remember that. I remember these uh Oh, that's right.

TalkToMeGuy: No, there were I skin, I see uh pictures of children running behind trucks Exactly. for mosquitoes.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah.

TalkToMeGuy: We don't have mosquito issues in California because we don't have that monkey swappy thing. But I know in Florida and some states where they do that, that I grew up with people who were like, Yeah, we used to chase behind the trucks and it was get missed, and it was like big fun. I'm like, oh my God.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah. Wow, that's so scary, isn't it? But you know, we haven't we're not any better now. It's not like we we've now we know

TalkToMeGuy: right

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: we seem to be we have people we're gonna just go a couple minutes over,

TalkToMeGuy: but I promise not to go too long. We have people like Bill Gates.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah,

TalkToMeGuy: who just have never met a GMO they didn't love.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I know.

TalkToMeGuy: Which just blows my mind. I mean, he seems like a smart guy, and yet he just can't, you know, he's just trying to make everything in a peachy dish.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Right.

TalkToMeGuy: Like the dreaded impossible burger.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Uh yeah, I know, then it's loaded with glyphosate.

TalkToMeGuy: Loaded right. I I interviewed Zen when she did that research

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: on you know looking at the impossible burger.

TalkToMeGuy: And it's just really Oh, my God.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: oh.

TalkToMeGuy: And I know that the, you know, his one of his spins and some of the people that worked on the Impossible Burger spin was that they wanted to make a burger, so you know, vegans or v people who wanted an alternative meat. Right.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Exactly.

TalkToMeGuy: And as I've said often on air that I've never met a vegetarian who's looking for their burger to bleed.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Right.

TalkToMeGuy: They don't want it. And that was the thing. they really had to call it like a regular. Right. They really had to make the impossible burger bleed so it looked like a burger. I'm like, that's so none of the vegans I know are looking to meet.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Good point. I don't know.

TalkToMeGuy: Science, you know, there are people like you who are brilliant who are doing wonderful things. And then there are other people like, what's wrong with them?

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I know. It's frustrating. I I wish that people could wake up, more people could wake up, you know.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, I think with the work that you and Victor are doing, this is a I think a powerful potential tool for helping people wake up.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I hope so. We believe in it for sure. And I really love the way the robots are able to uh analyze and try to bring it to a level that people can understand. The deep science.

TalkToMeGuy: I think it does it in a in a um I'll call it a charming way.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yeah, thank you. I'm glad to hear that. I know a lot of people don't like the fact that it's robots, but uh

TalkToMeGuy: well that's because they're anti, they they have this, you know, they they're part of the spin of like, oh yeah, it's gonna get you.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: And it could. Yeah.

TalkToMeGuy: It's gonna be interesting to see where it goes. And we are in a very complicated

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: moment in time right now. Yeah. I'm I'm much less personally, I'm much less fearful of AI than I am Bill Gates. Right.

TalkToMeGuy: I agree with you on that one.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: I

TalkToMeGuy: I don't know, you know, I didn't mean to, but I had to. It's

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: just like

TalkToMeGuy: that's much scarier to me.

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Yes. Uh-huh.

TalkToMeGuy: Um, I can't believe we're we're out of time. We have to do this again soon. And you have you're gonna release a new book soon?

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: Well, I hope so. Victor and I are hoping we can pull out a pull a book out of our Substack page, you know, we've put something together. Uh, we're eager to do that. So we'll have to just find the time. And that's now that I'm retired, I have a little more time, so that'll be good. Yeah.

TalkToMeGuy: You don't look retired, but I'm happy about

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: that. Hmm. Well,

TalkToMeGuy: that was delightful, Stephanie. Thank you

Stephanie Seneff, PhD: so much fun.

TalkToMeGuy: That was fun. Thanks for doing it. All right, everybody. Have a great rest of the week, and we'll see you next weekend. Bye-bye.