Medical Intuition: Myth vs. Method

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TalkToMeGuy : Wendy Coulter believes all great leaps forward in science and medicine begin with the willingness to imagine an unimaginable possibility. That's exactly the territory she spent her career mapping. Wendy is the founder and CEO of the Practical Path Inc., where she presents intuitive development programs for healthcare professionals and the public. She's a certified medical intuitive practitioner, a master certified wellness coach, and president of the National Organization of Medical Intuition. Her accredited certification program, medical intuitive training, has helped integrative and holistic health care providers around the world develop and optimize their own inherent intuition. She's been an invited presenter at some of the most respected names in integrative health, including the Academy for Integrative Health and Medicine and the Andrew Weil Center for Integrative Medicine. Her research on medical intuition has been published in the peer-reviewed Journal of Integrative and Complementary Medicine, as well as global advances in integrative health and medicine. Wendy is the author of the Essentials of Medical Intuition, A Visionary Path to Wellness, winner of the Nautilus Silver Award, the International Book Award, the American Book Fest Best Book Award, and the American Legacy Book Award in Health, Alternative Medicine. In her own words, medical intuition is designed to uncover the hidden sources of energetic resistance that may be blocking optimal health. A roadmap for full spectrum well-being. Welcome, Wendy.

Wendy Colter: Thank you, Richard. Thank you for having me. It's been a while.

TalkToMeGuy : I know it's been a while. I was surprised. I think I have to start here. I have to start with this, it was an amazing thing. Did you say this? That Edgar Casey believed gut health was number one.

Wendy Colter: Yes, yes. When I did my research for the book, you know, of course, people in in this era area know who Edgar Casey was. He was really the first modern medical intuitive, among other things. But he opened his clinic in the 20s. And in with his work in looking at people's energies for physical health imbalances, he determined that gut health was the driver of most illnesses. Now, you know, this was in the 20s.

Nowadays you can't really pick up a magazine, you know, that talking about you know this kind of health that doesn't, or it state that that our gut health is so important to our overall health. Um, so he was really a visionary. He was a he was well ahead of his time. But he ended up in his clinic treating people for gut imbalances first, and uh that's really quite extraordinary. Wow. Wow.

TalkToMeGuy : Unfortunately, uh, in my mind pops up the Kellogg bibliography that I interviewed, the guy that wrote the book. And Kellogg built a clinic in Florida and did pretty much horrible things to people. Oh dear. Um, in the name of gut health.

Wendy Colter: You're talking about Kellogg's serial yeah. Well, you know, that was an interesting time in history. Uh yeah, that was an interesting time. There was there was the really good stuff that's informed modern health. And then there was, you know, a lot of a lot of crazy things back then.

TalkToMeGuy : Well, and I think of Edgar Casey as being an informer of modern health. Absolutely. However, Kellogg was like, oh my God. It was just wow. And they, you know, he built like a huge clinic and was doing I don't mean, no, he was doing bad things to people, period. Yeah, yeah. In the name of health.

Wendy Colter: In the name of health, yeah.

TalkToMeGuy : If only we had your casey direction, Imagine how different it would be.

Wendy Colter: Well, I could say that about just about every intuitive out there.

TalkToMeGuy : That's true. That's so true. Wow. Yeah. not good. So you've been practicing medical intuition for more than 20 years now. Wow. Uh would you take us back to the beginning? What was happening in your life when you first realized this was something real and something you wanted to pursue seriously?

Wendy Colter: What a great question. Thank you, Richard. Yeah. So I I was always interested, you know, as being an intuitive kid. I'll take you way back to the beginning. Uh, I could people would say what you know I would hear from adults, like, you know, she's got some interesting things she might say about me. Um, and I used to remember seeing people and going, you know, something's wrong with them. I, you know, as a kid, I couldn't tell you what was wrong with them, but I knew something was not, they were not well. Uh, and that sort of persisted through my life.

And of course, I stopped talking about it because a lot of people didn't want to hear that kind of thing from a kid. But later in life, I became um an energy healer. I started in Reiki, uh, and then I studied other forms of energy healing.

It was just a hobby and a sideline for me, but I thought it was really fascinating stuff. Um, and I remember uh clients coming in and I would, you know, sort of do my energy healing thing, and some of them would have big releases and love it, and some would come back again and again with the same issues. And I noticed as I was doing these these healings, energy healings, I was getting all kinds of what you know you would call a hit, an intuitive hit, which wasn't unusual for me. I lived my life with intuitive hits, but I started knowing that I could I started um realizing that I could actually see intuitively in my mind's eye into their physiology. I could actually see their rib cage and their you know cardiovascular system and like where the issues might be physically, which I thought was really wild, and I could also see into their kind of their life, and I'd get images in my mind of like what was going on at this point in time and what happened that could have created this energetic imbalance or physical imbalance. And as I was working on that, I remember saying to a client, look, I'm getting a lot of information here.

Do you mind if I just stop the healing part and just sit down and look at what's going on? And my client said, Yeah, sure. So I did, and it was, I mean, I could have gone on all day.

It was easily an hour, probably more than that. And I was just all this information was just showing up in my mind's eye, and I was telling them what I was seeing, and it was the origins of the emotional, physical, mental, and even spiritual imbalances that my client was experiencing. And after that, um, when I went to give, I said, let me give you a healing now. I did about half an hour healing, and that person let go of things they'd been holding on for decades. And I thought there's something here that bears looking into because as a as an energy practitioner, my energy skill goes so far as uh as an as a intuitive using this thing I didn't even know what to call. I could see things that actually help them release even more. I'm like, some, you know, something's going on.

So I kept doing that, and my clients started telling their doctors, and their doctors started calling me. I thought, all right, what is this? I it was really honestly until I read Carolyn Mace's book. Um, oh gosh, please forgive me. Her very first book. Oh gosh, I I'm gonna have to find that. I'm so sorry. Uh um, oh, I know spiritual anatomy with that energetic anatomy.

TalkToMeGuy : Oh no, I think spiritual anatomy.

Wendy Colter: Spiritual anatomy. Oh, I'm now I'm this is shame on me. Um, but anyway, I can find that. But that was an incredible book. When I read it, I thought, oh my gosh, this is what this is. It's called medical intuition. Um, I knew about Edgar Casey, but um that term was never used.

Carolyn Mace and uh Dr. Norm Sheley and their research early on, they coined that term, and so I thought, well, that's what I'm doing. And that it built from there. Um, I started, uh I'll go to another piece of this because you asked what got me started. I started teaching because I couldn't find any place to study, frankly. And I thought, you know, medical people, people in healthcare need this because to work with your patients with this, because I'm already working with our patients, this is what's going to turn, it's like the lever that can help turn the tide for some of these really challenging health issues, and just health overall. So that was what got me started in the teaching part.

TalkToMeGuy : And I wasn't going to, but I have to just toss this into the mix. I had um done massage body work for about 15 years. And I would have people who were regulars.

Yes. And often after working with somebody and just doing switches and massage, some deep tissue work I trained in all that. And somewhere along the way, I would be working on somebody often on their thighs, because that's such a big muscle and a great place to hide emotions. Um they would find themselves tearing up or would just be laying on their back on the table, and suddenly water would be pouring out of their eyes. They weren't exactly sucking wind and crying, but they were having an emotional release.

Yes. Always surprised them, and that's the especially the guys were like, What's going on? Why are my what's going on what have you done?

You've broken me or you know, it's just like, and it was release. Yeah. It took me a while, I just rolled with it because I'd done a lot of massage, so I could, you know, handle whatever was going on. But it was just a thing that I then realized I would begin to watch for the pattern in the person.

Yes. I knew it was going to happen. I could feel it tactically or maybe not tactically, psychically in my hands that this area that I was working on.

And like I say, thighs, the large muscles are good places to hide emotional stuff. Yeah, they do. And at some point I felt that that was going to release. And even I worked on some bodybuilders, and the same thing would happen, and they'd look sit there, they'd pop up off the table to look at me like, dude, what the blank are you doing, man? Because it was so unexpected, but it was just a release. Yeah.

Wendy Colter: And what you're talking about, first of all, I have to go back and say, Carolyn Mace, if you're listening, I apologize. Her book is called Anatomy of the Spirit. Wonderful book, wonderful book about her experiences as a medical intuitive and how uh she and Dr. Sheley work together.

Just phenomenal. So what you're talking about is exactly what uh many, many healers and certainly massage therapists, you know, really understand this. A lot of DOs understand this too, because you've got your hands on the patient, right? Or the client. And that's a tactical kind of clairsentient um experience where you're picking things up and you're helping release things with the work that you do.

But you're absolutely right. It's not just our muscles, it's our organs, it's our body systems, it's our biofield, which is the chakra system and the auric field. It's it's all of us, you know, the whole, the whole pieces of us, right? Yeah, we we store things, man. Our chakra system, our bodies, our organs, our system, you know, our muscles, everything uh stores um everything you can think of emotions, thoughts, feelings, you know, um experiences. It just goes on. It's amazing what the body can hold.

TalkToMeGuy : Well, and the body, um, I'll refer to the group of uh Vietnam vets that I went to college with. The kind of stuff that their bodies absorbed, and I don't mean just I don't mean the chemicals and the bombs and the you know toxins, the actual toxic the structural toxins, but just the stuff that would happen to them. I'd be out with these guys, and they would something would happen. There would be a noise.

The classic example is a loud noise. Yes. And they would, I don't like the word trigger, but that's what they would call it. They would turn out yeah, absolutely. And something would happen, and the next thing you know, they might be punching each other.

Wendy Colter: Well, the PTSD, is that what we're calling it these days?

TalkToMeGuy : Exactly. Now, yeah, but yeah, it's finally now PTSD. But I mean, it would just, and and a lot of times they would, you know, something would happen. One of them that was a really good friend of mine would, you know, come over back in an hour and go, Oh man, I'm really sorry. Just, you know, like he was like a bad dog. And I was like, no, man, you were in war for God's sakes. And they'd told me some of the stuff, and it was ugly bad stuff.

Yeah. But they never knew when it would pop up or some sound. I think it was Sarge Garbodi who wrote a book about trauma, and but he was really talking about the kind of stuff where they are set off by the sound of a swing in a park and then barking dogs and then a car backfires, and it's those things, and they're they're they're off to the races.

Wendy Colter: Yeah, yeah. You know, what's really interesting about what you're saying um is is first of all, uh yeah. I mean, you're saying that it's a lot we're going to talk about here because what we're talking about is what can be stored not only in the physical body, but also in the brain and in the mind, you could say. Um, and and physically I would call it in the amygdala, you know, that part of the brain that's fight, flight freeze. And I look at that a lot with people who have um, you know, PTSD issues, and that can come from almost anything.

I mean, the really dramatic and obvious one is combat, you know, soldiers. Um and I'll segue here just for a second and say I'm extremely proud of the fact that my program is now offered through the uh veterans administration, um, uh for their practitioners who want to learn how to do this and work with vets. And it this this work is very potent for people who've had that kind of experience, but also people who've just had life experience that has been jarring or um you know impactful in that way. Uh, one of the things that came out, I want to say over the last maybe 20 years is um adverse childhood experiences.

And the CDC did a very long, it's probably still ongoing, um, uh, research about what they call adverse childhood experiences, which means children who grew up in uh difficult or challenging or you know, destructive environments. Um, and you see the same thing, a very strong sensitivity to anything that could trigger that. There's other triggers too. Um, there's epigenetic triggers, you know, about epigenetics. It's fascinating study where historical in your family line, if there was trauma or challenges or you know, drama that it could be it can be carried down the DNA of the family line. And people generations beyond, you know, the initial uh trauma had trauma response. I mean, this is amazing stuff, but I will tell you that it's also stuff that intuitives, medical intuitives in particular have seen for decades, hundreds of years.

We we can see that trajectory. And and that's what's so fascinating because when you're looking for healing, it's not it ends up being a very long kind of historical way that we're gonna heal, right? Because it's not only things in the moment, it's everything that led up to that. It's just, you know, the work is really honestly kind of endless, Richard. It's it's so deep in that regard.

TalkToMeGuy : Well, I back to the vets. Yeah. I would see them. I mean, we were together for several years. And I was like the go-to guy to talk to. What do I know?

Um the go-to guy to talk to. And it always amazed me how when they would have a blow up, the next couple of days, they'd be a little softer for a while. Like some piece that had been held in their body got to let go or release or was released. And I think sometimes that's why it took them fighting, because they didn't know how else to release it.

Yeah, of course. And so that's what they did. They fought because that's what they did. Yeah.

How they survived was fighting to survive. It's fascinating. And how that that piece would then go because I'd already been a body worker by this time. I was mostly observing. I never worked on, well, I worked on one guy until he started crying, and then that would like blow him up.

He couldn't handle that, didn't want to have any crying because he felt like once that started, it would never stop. Yeah. But that you once you begin to pull the string, then you let other all the other parts that can be built in, you know, get sort of glued into the epigenetics.

I don't have a question there. It just it amazes me is from somebody who experienced it with people and or worked on people as a body worker. How you pull one thread and then the whole things come tumbling down, and you have to have somebody like yourself to be able to help piece that out. That's not a good way to say it.

Wendy Colter: But no, no, it's a great way to say it. You're absolutely right. I mean, the skill set that I use and that I teach and that I've developed for myself, um, is really pretty structured in that regard. Um, I want to make sure people are hearing um what is relevant for them. And that, you know, that can take some time because we can't do it all at once. Uh, you know, with we have to sort of understand things, as you mentioned, piecemeal. That's sort of the way the mind works.

Um, and as we anyone who's done any self work at all can you know, test to that, you know, you you go at the pace you go. Um medical intuition I've found is really a fantastic way to get right to the root causes. I, you know, I kind of hate that term because it's overused, but what I call it is the original trauma point, uh physical, emotional, mental, spiritual, the original trauma points. And those are powerful for clients to hear because it for number one it can very much um be an acknowledgement of their own experience and I don't know you know when someone comes to me I've never met them before usually unless they're a an ongoing client in which case it's still fresh every time um and I'm going to see what there is to see that's you know relevant to their energy in the moment and very often it it's most of the time it stretches back to childhood something occurred what happened and what how did our minds and our spirits and our you know perspectives shift in relation to that experience and how is it manifesting now so you want to go back to root cause to see the whole trajectory. Honestly that's a missing piece in medicine you know and uh in mental health care which I'm a huge fan of and I'm a fan of medicine too don't get me wrong um it's mental health care is client driven rather than how I do it or how my students and grads do it which is intuition driven.

Does that make sense? It does to me yeah yes what I mean by that is um if you've ever had therapy hypnotherapy somatic therapy all of these are phenomenal and they're driven by the the the client or the patient medical intuition is not it's driven by the energy of the person that we're reading um it's a much different um I I don't I don't call it a protocol but it's a much different way to to look at this sort of thing and

TalkToMeGuy : is there a feeling there well no forget that question we'll set them up I had a medical incident about 10 or 12 years ago. 30 hours of surgeries I was at healthcare facility for a year. And that's a trauma my friend.

Yes. And I've done a lot of the EMDR on that and what amazed me about being in that facility I was in a 250 bed facility. And once I was ambulatory again I walked every day I walked a lot every day and in the process of walking I would see people who had been in the facility before because I was there for a year I saw a lot of people and they would go away typically elderly and they'd been there and they'd had some sort of incident and they were there to you know repair or recover or something. And then they'd come back in a couple weeks because they had a you know some kind of thing occurred which they needed to be monitored 247 and they would be agitated and the solution for agitation was it's medication was to drug them into a stupor so that they were calm. Exactly not to actually go like is that hurt is that a pain is that a thing but it was a healthcare facility that was a you know money making machine I I too am not opposed to whether Western medicine but sometimes I feel like I don't like what they do with it.

Wendy Colter: Oh you know it would be absolutely kidding no it's missing every you know look there are life saving drugs there are life saving surgeries we can't you know just kick that to the curb but we want to know what's going to help and what's not going to help. Yeah that's that's medical intuition at its best honestly that's how I work with the doctors they sit there and they go what about this what about that I'm like okay well let me look yeah um and to me actually that was the gist of our study which I can talk about it anytime you're ready the most study.

TalkToMeGuy : I'm going We're gonna put a bookmark and study for just a second. You got it because I have two questions from chat. Oh wonderful is there an easy universal release anyone can do on themselves without having to know what it is or where the body it's stored.

Wendy Colter: A hundred percent and thank you Jim for that question. Yes we don't have to know everything to release energy and let that go. There are in fact I would guide I would direct everyone who's interested in that to my website at thepracticalpath.com and go to the guided meditations page there are I think four uh audios on there um that you can listen to little guided meditation they're about five or seven minutes long and in there I'm teached a few things one is how to ground your energy very important for our physical body and our energy field to feel grounded to understand what that feels like uh secondly to uh shield our energy if you're walking around in life feeling like an energetic sponge where you're just soaking up everybody else's stuff which is very common uh there's ways to release protect that energy and the one you're that you're talking about Jim is the one called releasing where you use a an image and uh some hand movements actually and you do sort of a self-healing, self-cleaning process where you let things go, and that is really important. You don't have to know where it's stored, you don't have to know anything about the energy, you just let it go.

And um, people get sort of confused by that. Well, shouldn't I have to know? The answer is absolutely not. Just let it go. We're in charge of our energy field.

We're in charge of how we get to choose about it, and often we don't feel that way. So learning how to manage your energy with these three skills is critical. It's where people I suggest people start. I've also written about it in my book, and there's exercises there. Um, and um, there's a program that I'm uh hopefully launching in uh early next year called Medical Intuition for Healing and Self-Care, where we'll dig even deeper into that. Um, and that's uh that's what I would say to you is that um energy management is one of the key skills of anybody, and it can work for everybody. I I've gotten a lot of great feedback from those audio, so please enjoy those.

TalkToMeGuy : And then Elizabeth has a question. Is medical intuition able to be done via televido or telehealth setting?

Wendy Colter: 100%. Uh it's a remote skill, meaning I don't have to be next to you or with you in the room. We can be on my I do all of my sessions on Zoom, uh, you know, via internet.

I used to work on telephone, and uh I work with people all over the world, uh clients all over the world, and frankly, students also to my programs all over the world. So, yes, 100%. And that's what makes it so wonderful, honestly. It's not an intervention. Interventional work typically tends to be done in person. This is not intervention, it's information.

You should put that on a t-shirt. It's the biggest question that healthcare providers ask. Yeah. And it's a misunderstanding uh of what medical intuition actually is. I mean, Edgar Casey didn't touch anybody, he didn't get in their energy field, he just fell asleep and said a bunch of stuff, you know.

TalkToMeGuy : Woke up and go, I'm used I used to hang out with radionics practitioners who are a wonky crowd. I will admit right up front.

Wendy Colter: I always know that. What is radionics?

TalkToMeGuy : Radionics is action at a distance uh work. And you I know people, uh one of the people I trained with was uh Ludi Larson, who managed her 900-acre farm without drugs. Wow, that's all done radionically. So it's a machine that you put either numbers that represent substances, or you can actually put a sample of that substance on the device, and then you can correct it with the numbers, and then you're broadcasting that number back out. Oh, nice. But the broadcasting part really is your intention pushing that energy out. They just don't talk about it like that and don't like it when I talk about it like that.

Wendy Colter: Kind of like homeopathy in a yes, yeah, yeah, nice.

TalkToMeGuy : And you can actually put a sample, uh, a sample from a human. You can get a sample of a fingernail, a piece of hair, a drop of blood, anything on a

Wendy Colter: piece of tissue,

TalkToMeGuy : and you put it in the machine, and then you can read that person completely using the device, using a device. And I'm calling action at a distance.

Wendy Colter: That's lovely. You know, there's all kinds of things out there that are just you know, they've kind of been in the shadows for so long, but every now and then I hear something I hadn't heard of before. I said that's really neat. I'm gonna look that one up.

TalkToMeGuy : Oh, we can, yeah, we can anytime you want to talk about radionics, I'm happy to talk about it. Because I think it's uh it's a very it's a very cool way of doing it. You can yeah, you can do a lot. Not that you can't is a intuitive, I just like the it is the focusing device. I think of it as a focusing device.

Wendy Colter: Yeah, there's rife machine. There's there's a lot of a lot of technologies out there, you know. I would call energetic technologies, which I find wonderful. And people sometimes ask me, well, isn't that taking the place of medical intuition? I'm like, no, it doesn't.

No, uh it's it it it points to things in a beautiful way, and it can help heal energetically in a beautiful way. But medical intuition is uh I don't even know how to just I mean it's I'm not comparing the two, they're just different. They're different, yeah. Yeah.

TalkToMeGuy : Sometimes we can have a show just trying to figure that out. I love that. That would be amazing. It would. Um, you were gonna talk about your study, your

Wendy Colter: we were talking about Western medicine and all that jazz. And um, I just completed a study with the um uh Institute of Noetic Sciences, uh, which is your your crowd might know who they are.

Uh they're based in uh Petaluma, I think. Anyway, um they've been doing research for decades on um uh I guess you'd call it parapsychology, but you know, you'd call it energy and intuition and things like that. And I uh after I did my first study in 2020, it was it was 2019, it was published in 2020 about my the graduates of my program and they're 94 to 98% accuracy rates, okay. I thought, you know, we need to bring this into the medical world. Um, and so I I contacted them and we spent many years, really a good number of time, a lot of time developing this study.

Uh, and uh it was just published in June of this year. So what we did there is we brought in medical intuitives uh with physicians and the patients, and that's never been done before, studied before, where a medical intuitive works directly with the patient and a physician in one session because we wanted to see how this skill would be useful or valuable to the physicians. Now, medical intuitives have been working with physicians for yeah, like I said, centuries.

Uh and um I'll I'll talk in a moment about what the National Organization for Medical Intuition has studied as well. But anyway, here in the study, we had all that. So the medical intuitive did about 45 minutes, their typical reading for the patient. The doctor was listening, patient was listening, they could ask questions at any time. And then the patient left the session, and the medical intuitive and the physician got to talk privately, and this is where the physicians went, oh my gosh, all that stuff is so important. So what the medical intuitives were doing was looking at physical, emotional, mental, spiritual life history, all the pieces of an imbalance, right? And for many, in fact, most, uh, if not all of the physicians, they'd never experienced anything like that before unless they'd themselves have had a medical intuitive session.

We didn't know that if they had or not, but most of them were this was new to them. And and then we asked questions afterwards, like what was that like? Uh, how did you feel about the information?

You know, was it useful? Um, I'm I'm cutting, you know, like right to the chase here. There's a whole lot of stuff. We also asked the patients how they, you know, what they got out of it. But the study is on is uh out on PubMed, it's part of the National Institutes of Health now, but the the results of it were so phenomenal because we had no idea what we'd get.

You know, these people could be very well skeptic, obviously, right? They're medical doctors trained in Western medicine. And all of the physicians said that they found the uh sessions um highly accurate. They found them incredibly uh useful and influential to their clinical process, meaning they would take this information and look at other kinds of testing, other kinds of potential diagnoses, etc.

Um, they were able to use the information, and there were two more things that really were like the brass ring, although it may not sound that way to the audience. One was would they work with medical intuitives again? The answer was yes across the board. And this the next one, which my colleague who was on the study who's a medical doctor said this is the brass ring. Would they recommend medical intuitives to their colleagues?

And they said yes. So, you know, it's like okay, if Western medicine physicians that think this is useful and valuable, we've got an open, we've got a our foot in the door, put it that way, where we can incorporate and integrate medical intuitives into healthcare. That is the focus of the National Organization for Medical Intuition, which I recommend anybody who's interested in this, go check out. Um and and we're we're we're taking that study and we're moving forward with it in various ways with new research. But honestly, that was a breakthrough. That was kind of a landmark study there that we were able to do.

TalkToMeGuy : This is where I would insert the uh blown mind emoji.

Wendy Colter: It kind of blew all our minds.

TalkToMeGuy : Western medicine doctors are like, this is great. What? Well, here's the thing. Wow.

Wendy Colter: I have to tell you, when we started the National Organization for Medical Intuition, and I can put the um it's uh WWNOMI, know me, medical intuition dot or g there's a lot of research and information and you know practitioners on that website.

You can go and find somebody that can work for you. Um we the first thing we did in 2022 when we started the organization, which is it's a baby organization. Uh, we thought, you know, we nobody really knows what medical intuition is. It's kind of been in the shadows for let's call it, you know, two centuries, if not longer. And we as medical and professional medical intuitives know that we work with patients, we work with clients, we work with doctors, we work all kinds of ways.

Why can't we bring this out? So the first uh research that we did was we put out um a survey to uh there's over a thousand medical and self-identified medical intuitives in the United States. It ended up actually being about 300 altogether, and we got about 75 responses. And we said, How do you work? What do you do? You know, how what kind of intuition do you use? A ton of questions. We also asked, and this is this is what really drove all this. Do you work with licensed healthcare professionals?

If so, how? Do you receive referrals or do you work directly with them? Uh, because all medical intuitives do something like that, usually, not all of them, but many do. Here's what we got back.

82% said that they receive uh that they work directly with healthcare, licensed health care practitioners for with medical intuitive services for their patients. Nobody knew this. I didn't know that. Uh, and that number was kind of blew our minds. Uh, 86% said that they receive referrals.

That didn't, you know, surprise us. Most medical intuitives, if they're if they're, you know, um not hiding themselves in some way if they're out there in the world. Patients talk about it, so they get referrals. But the the fact that medical intuitives are already working directly with uh licensed healthcare providers is phenomenal result. Um, and the more we are out there talking about this, the more we find that to be true. There are actually medical providers who are medical intuitives as well, like Western medicine. Who would have thought? Who would have thought? Yeah. And who would have thought to ask?

TalkToMeGuy : Well, yeah, there's that. Oh, we did a study. Oh my god, look, we found this out. It was true. Yeah. You gotta do it. Studies can be funny. Yeah. I won't I want to jump back. Uh well, this is way back. Uh, but back to Franz Anton Mesmer. Oh, yeah. And being mesmerized. Really did he really? I mean, is he the foundation of being mesmerized?

Wendy Colter: He's the he's the root founder, although he didn't call it at that time, mesmer's mesmerized now is turned into hypnosis, right? Uh, hypnotherapy. Um, it was the the original early, I look, I'm sure there were things before him, you know, in just sort of meditation and you know, ancient cultures, uh, you know, ways of handling things, but he turned it into kind of a practice, and it was huge in the 1800s, early, late 17, early 1800s, mesmerizing uh people for health things. What was really fascinating, Richard, about, and thank you for you know referencing my book. I did a ton of research on all this.

Yes. Um, what's interesting about him is that they found one of the things they found when they mesmerized or put them into a trance, patients or people, is that um some of some people could actually work like a medical intuitive. They could uh see things in themselves and in others that were health imbalances, and they could recommend remedies that could help heal those people. And um, this was in the late 1700s, really. Um, and it it it it kind of blew everybody's mind, right?

Um, and they even studied it, and there was a very famous study, if I can remember the date, it was probably early 1800s, where they commissioned um scientific board to study this phenomenon, and they deemed it accurate. Wow. And by the yeah, it's um it's in the book. I can't remember, it was like the King's Commission on you know, mesmer mesmerizing and all this stuff.

Um, this was in France, I think. Um ultimately what happened in the turn of the century in the 1900s is there was a big split between um energetic, I would call it or intuitive medicine, um, medicine using energy, and and mesmer was really famous for using magnets and things like that, which today are understood more, you know, in the alternative healthcare world, and then it was you know considered wild and woo-woo. Um, but there was a big split where um physicians wanted to prove things, and in order to prove things, they had to think about the physical body and the energy a different way, and they decided that the body was mechanical, and you think about it like an engine.

And if something's broken, how do you fix it? And that's the way Western medicine, that's the platform on which Western medicine was founded, really from the 1900s, late 1890s, early 1900s. And so all of this energetic material, which included homeopathy, osteopathy, um, you know, magnet hypnotherapy, all of this, you know, hypnosis and all of that was considered uh taboo. Um, and it's only in honestly, in recent years, I would say maybe 50 years at the most, where things like meditation and energy work and all the rest of it has started to come back into the public eye. I mean, yoga, hello. There's a yoga, you know, pretty much any city or town you go to, there's going to be a yoga studio somewhere or meditation, something something somewhere. That is a tribute to um the fact that humans and human bodies love this energy work stuff, and it works.

Um, so and it works, and it works. Mind body medicine is now a big topic all over the world. And believe me, you know, a hundred years ago it was not.

TalkToMeGuy : And he also had a thing with vitalism.

Wendy Colter: Yes, yes. That's a wonderful concept. I wouldn't even call it a concept. Uh vitalism, if I get this right, is the belief or the the perspective that energy flows through all things through through the human body. You can call it qi, you can call it prana, through uh all of life, uh, you know, nature, animals, everything. Um vitalism is a if you look it up, it's pretty wonderful philosophy.

TalkToMeGuy : And did he do something was he an advocate of it, or was he could he did he try to teach people to use that to benefit, or is that more of an eastern thing where they're running qi and prana and

Wendy Colter: you know it's a western version of the eastern thing, and you're asking me a question that I'm sure I wrote about in the book, and I can't recall the answer to.

TalkToMeGuy : I know I I know I scanned to buy it, but I can't pull up the data.

Wendy Colter: I I'm there yeah, I think he was uh forgive me if I get this wrong. I believe he might have been a proponent of vitalism, but his there was, you know, look, people love to debate stuff, yeah. And particularly scientists, you know, why not? Um, so there was a lot of I think debate around that concept um of vitalism. Um look, talk to any Chinese medicine practitioner, any any acupuncturist, any herbalist, any Ayurvedic, you know, these are ancient, ancient healing uh methodologies and and interventions, and it's all based on energy, the energy of plants, the energy of the body, on and on. That's that's original medicine. Um it's it's been a shame that Western medicine has gone so far away from that. But you know, in our lifetimes, it's coming back. Hooray. I mean, hooray, what a great time to be alive for that, because both methods have value, but they need to inform each other. That's how I see it.

TalkToMeGuy : One of my favorite demonstrations of qi was this uh it was a martial arts demonstration of all things and this monk, just the tiniest little female monk you've ever seen, just like a little scrappy, you know, she just looked like if you bumped into her, she might just you know topple over. And the demonstration was her having you know, men of course men and a few women in this martial arts class, and they were to approach and try and attack her.

Wendy Colter: Oh, yeah. Okay, I know where this is going.

TalkToMeGuy : Right, exactly. And there was this, you know, she'd reach up out of her, you know, robes, and she would, you know, they'd come at her, you know, with swinging or something, or try to take her down and just tap them on the head, just the lightest, like just the little tiniest, like boom, and they'd collapse. And no matter who approached her or how many approached her, and she was sort of smiling sheepishly when she would while she was doing it. And she was this, you know, sweetest, kindest, most gentile, you know, like the kind of you know, that would hold a kitty, would pick up a cat walking by and put it in the lap in her lap, and the cat would just like go, oh yeah. This is great. Um, but she was amazing to watch that demonstration of taking that focused chi and boom. Yeah, yeah.

Wendy Colter: And imagine what we can do with healing our bodies if we can uh harness that.

TalkToMeGuy : Yeah, yeah. And you had in your book, you had a uh really an amazing story about this mesmerized patient named Celine.

Wendy Colter: Oh, oh, that was part of wasn't that part of the research that they did in the 1800s? I think so, yes. Yeah, you're gonna have to remind me.

TalkToMeGuy : Oh, that's okay. Yeah, you know, they identified that a doctor's mercury treatment, not

Wendy Colter: the healing, yeah, was harming this patient. That's right. That yes, well, they used mercury and leeches and a lot of crazy things, and they were actually uh harmful for the body. That was this that was the research that was done in that commission that I mentioned earlier. Um, if I'm correct about it, I might be wrong, but that's my memory of what we're what we're talking about here, is that they um they researched some of these, what did they call them? Somnambulists, they called them because they'd go into kind of a trance state and be able to sort of get all this information. And yeah, she determined that the mercury treatment was harming the patient, and they stopped the mercury treatment, and the patient recovered from whatever it is they were trying to treat them for. Yeah, well, you know, that's medical immersion.

TalkToMeGuy : We gave people all sorts of stuff. I used to, I was a partner in an herb store. I was mass herbalist. And I used to collect pharmacopias, which are the recipes, what I call recipe books for pharmacists back in the day when pharmacists would take herbs and other substances and maybe some mercury because that was so fun, and smash it with a mortar and pestle and then eventually either make it into a tincture or a sal, you know, whatever it was.

And I would just at night flip through the pages and see like the amazing things of what they were doing, because I loved that world of uh formulating herbal formulas, and there was a lot of that in those old pharmacopias. Well, going It's just great reading.

Wendy Colter: it is great reading. It's fascinating. Going back to Edgar Casey for a moment, he has one of the most profound pharmacopias uh from his work. Uh his clin, I wonder if it's published, it must be, but his uh clinic that he ran for many years, um, you know, kept all everything he said and created a massive pharmacopia, much of which is still used today.

TalkToMeGuy : People are still selling Edgar Casey products. And I don't think a lot of the people that are using them even know who Edgar Casey was, really.

Wendy Colter: Interesting. It's an amazing history. Yeah. Um, in I'll jump to this one.

TalkToMeGuy : Trisha Greenhall argues that intuition is not unscientific. And is fundamental to the hypothesis, you know. Can you talk about this? That there's a person out there that's saying, wait, no, unfortunately, I don't have a note here about who she was.

Wendy Colter: Oh, she was a famous, I think she might still be alive, a famous um professor of medicine and medical doctor. Okay. And she was talking about how physicians should be using their intuition, and that the taboo around that uh should be you know, not there. Um, and bless her, because she was very, you know, high up in her field, very famous, and uh medical doctors listen to her. So what we're talking about here is the art of medicine. When I talk, I speak, I do a lot of speaking at medical um conferences and things like that.

Um, and invariably at the at the conclusion of my talk, there was a line of physicians, medical doctors waiting to talk to me saying, you know, I've had an experience like this where I just knew the patient was blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, well, you're using your intuition. Like, well, that's not logical. No, it's not logical. That's the whole point. There's a big misunderstanding. And I what we talked about earlier when um in the early 1900s, when medicine switched to this mechanical model of the body, intuition was obliterated, right?

You can't use it, you can't talk about it. You can't just have a gut feeling or a hunch, which is insane because that's how humans operate mostly, right? Um, but in medicine, if it's not empirical, you know, forget it.

Um, and they're so I was just relieved to hear that intuition is actually a valuable skill. Um, even now, honestly, I work very closely with um uh wonderful gentleman named Leonard Len Wisnewski. He's a medical doctor, professor, and a very um a very key person in all of this.

And uh when we met, it was like, you know, I've been waiting to talk to you for so long. Both of us felt that way because he's used his intuition in his practice. He worked with medical intuitives before it was even a thing to do.

And he writes about it in his work, and he couldn't talk about he tells me he felt he felt like he was an undercover agent, you know, teaching in the universities and practicing medicine because he knew the secret thing about you can use your intuition or you can work with an professional intuitive. So we've where am I going with this? Um, Uh-oh, Richard, you gotta ask the question again. Oh, Trisha Greenhog. I got I set myself down a rabbit hole. Yeah. Um this is more and more.

This is really what Nomi National Organization is all about. Bringing the the art of intuitive health care into health care, intuitive medicine. There are some studies out there where they ask doctors about this, and they're wonderful studies.

I've have them listed in my book and on the websites, but it's just a drop in the bucket. I will say that nurses have been using their intuition in the same way medical intuitives do for a very long time and the nursing community has 36 years of studies on nursing intuition out there and is it understood is it is it respected do the doctors read it I don't know but I was just delighted with that and uh because they're literally working with the patients one on one in a hospital or in a clinic um the doctors come in and out you know so they they have the the experience there all of this is to say that medicine should not be separate from intuition and there's a big I'm gonna get into the weeds here a little bit a very big misunderstanding in the scientific world where people have tried to understand how physicians or or practitioners use intuition and where they're going is the wrong way if I may say they're looking they're calling it um body language um you know uh sort of subconscious um they're picking up things subconsciously they are um they have a wealth of experience and they're sort of subconsciously bringing forth experience that's not in their the front of their mind and that they call intuition I'm sorry but that is not intuition that is body language and unsubconscious you know signals that's all that stuff but intuition and the way medical intuitives use it you can't fit it into that box it doesn't work there because I work with people I've never met before and I'm looking into their bodies and their life histories and they're telling me it's accurate and the study that we did just recently where we were actually working with the physicians of the patients and they're saying you were accurate you know these people were medical intuitives were accurate that doesn't come from any kind of body language by the way every study we've ever done the camera the client's camera is off I never look at my client the medical intuitive camera was off too it didn't need to be but there's no body language there's no heuristics they call it that we can even pick up on so I'm getting a little hot under the collar about this right the the the point is is that intuition doesn't come from knowledge it doesn't at all or visuals or any of that stuff it comes from well this is a good question where does it come from it comes from the quantum field that's one way to say it if you're spiritual you can say it comes from universal source that's another way to say it um but it comes from the place where all information is and when I work with a client just to be really woo woo about it what I'm doing is and I'm tuning in or tapping in or working with your specific connection to all that is and that's how I can see what is going on for you um is is is I hope that's okay to say here this group I think understands

TalkToMeGuy : it absolutely please yes

Wendy Colter: I can only get so woo woo when I'm talking to the doctors I have to talk in terms of the results and the results are what leads them to uh understanding medical intuition and

TalkToMeGuy : this seems like a perfect time to ask about the different kinds of clairs I love this question so much uh clairvoyance clairsentience clear audience could you talk about the various kinds of clairs

Wendy Colter: yes my favorite subject um clear the most common clair is clairsentience and it means clear feeling and when you talked earlier about you know feeling where the the the the energy is stored in the muscle that's a version of clairsentiance where you're actually feeling maybe you're even feeling the anger or the or the energy but you were feeling where it was mostly how people use clairsentiance is they feel the emotions of others that's that um uh highly sensitive person thing they can kind of feel all the energy around them the emotions or even the physical issues of people in their world and some people listening might really recognize themselves there um we call that um honestly uh clairsence we have a good word for that in the society we call it compassion you can feel the empathy it was we using empathy we can feel other people's emotions um again that's kind of what it's kind of all of these are hardwired into us but that's the one that's the most societally acceptable therefore people call themselves empaths and things like that that's what they mean um clear cognizance is another very cognitive common one that is clear knowing that's that I know that I know I don't know how I know but I just know it uh or a or a gut feeling or a hunch gut feeling could also be clairsentiens but a hunch a knowingness um that's very common um and and very understood, you know. A lot of look, I tell me Wall Street's not run on this, right?

Tell me the stocks, the stock trading is not done on hunches, right? So people have a knowingness about that too. And many people listening will go, yeah, I I've I've had that in my life. Um clear uh audience is a little more rare. Uh that is clear hearing, where you hear information kind of in your sort of in your mind. And we have to make a distinction between that and mental illness, because a lot of people who suffer from bipolar or schizophrenia or things like that actually hear voices.

It's not that kind of thing. It's basically the voice of your guidance, and saying, you know, go here, do that. Um, Sonia Choquett's written a lot of books about that, where she her got guidance will talk to her and tell her, you know, don't turn left here, turn right, that kind of thing. Uh and I also am clear audience. I was born that way. Uh, I was hearing music uh from the time I was quite young, and nobody else could hear it.

I thought everybody could do that. Um that's that's another one. Uh, there's one sort of that goes along with that, which is clairgustant, clear tasting, which is really really interesting. Yeah, really interesting. That you're tasting flavors like uh your grandmother's chicken soup or something like that. Um, and there's also clear smelling where you you smell things like your mother's perfume or your granddad's cigar, they're not in the room, you know. That's a really interesting one.

Uh, very much more rare. Um the one that I use, uh, there's actually more clears than that, but the one that I use is clairvoyance, clear seeing. Uh, and all that means is it sounds really woo-woo, and it's it's a word that's been highly stigmatized. But what it means is that you can see things in your mind's eye written in in relation to someone else, like their physiology, their life history, their information. And that actually is um not that common because it it's not an it's like not a natural quote unquote one. It's not something that that we even have a societal understanding of, other than visualization in our mind's eye.

Everybody knows that. Anyone who's done a guided um imagery uh or has a great imagination, can see things in their mind's eye. I will say there's a there's actually a physical diagnosis where people there it's very rare. Like, you know, I don't even know what the numbers are, but extremely rare where you cannot see in your mind's eye, but that's unusual.

Most people have dreams where they remember their dreams. That's in your that's that same process. So that can be cultivated and developed into the skill set that I use, which is medical intuition. But I'll I'll share this with you. If I use the word clairvoyance when I'm speaking with any kind of Western medicine, it's like it'll clear a room of doctors in a man of a second, they'll just like run for the door. And so you can't talk about it that way if you're gonna do that kind of thing. But when they understand what it is, everybody understands mind's eye visualization. It's very common these days.

TalkToMeGuy : Yeah, visualization. We can talk about that all day long, no problem.

Wendy Colter: Yeah, yeah, it's a very good skill to develop for yourself.

TalkToMeGuy : Um, I'm surprised we're moving toward the uh exit. We got here so soon. Um I have two questions I wanted to cover though. You teach specific energy hygiene tools like grounding and shielding. Would you walk us through some of what those look like?

Wendy Colter: Oh, absolutely. And again, these are available for free on the website. Go listen to them and use them. I put them up there for everybody. Uh, grounding is where you connect your physical body using your mind's eye, there it is, to the earth. And the grounding, there's a lot of different kinds of grounding techniques. And if you go on the web, you know, the internet and search grounding, you'll come up with, you know, dozens and dozens.

Uh, the one I like to start people with is grounding through your feet. So if you're sitting in a chair, putting your feet on the floor, you just imagine roots growing down from the bottoms of your feet into the earth. And people often say, you know, when I do that, the bottom, the lower part of my body kind of feels a little heavy, or I feel some warmth. And like, great, you're having, you know, kind of a physical feeling about that.

It doesn't feel bad, it feels good. It's like, okay, I'm grounded, you know. And people walk around in life, not being grounded at all.

We're up in our heads or we're out of our bodies and you know, thinking about things. I I ask people when you drive your car, who's actually driving your car? Are you? Are you thinking about stuff, you know? Um, are you grounded? You know, usually people aren't.

Um, and you can ground while driving your car. That's not a problem. Um, so that's one.

And maybe beneficial. Well, I find it so, you know, where where I live in Los Angeles, there's all you drive on the freeways, everyone's gonna cut you off, and you know, crazy drivers. And I stay grounded for sure in my car.

It's not a problem. It's your connection, your energetic connection with this wonderful planet we live on. And we live in bodies that are made of planetary material, you know, it's like we're made of stuff. Uh, and so when we ground our energy that way, it can be very beneficial. Uh, you mentioned shielding, was that the other? Yep.

Shielding is excellent. Um, I started teaching these skills to nurses who work bedside. Um, and because at the end of the day, they have a hard job. They're on their feet a lot, so physically they're tired, but energetically, they're like squeeze grapes, you know, at the end of the day, they're just toast.

And most people who work in, you know, high impact kind of environments where there's a lot of people around, um, really can feel this way at the end of the day, you're just overloaded. Uh, so I taught them grounding and shielding. Shielding is when you create an energetic um field around you. And the one on the website is using kind of a buffer, like a purple buffer, any color you want, where it goes sort of around your body about three feet, you know, all around above you, below you, like you're sort of in this bubble and of um of energy, but it's not a restrictive bubble. You can interact, you can hug people, you can do anything in your life, but you you adjust that energy so that nothing outside can uh kind of enter your energy field.

Uh, it's a nice way to think about it. And then I'm I mentioned the releasing technique again, which is another way to sort of clean out your energy. All of those uh I call them honestly, they're they're foundational skills in learning how to manage your own energy. And when I taught nurses down at Scripps uh in San Diego this uh skill set, um, they would come back to class, you know, in a week and go, oh my god, you know, I got home and I wasn't like needed to go sleep for an hour, you know. I was able to keep keep my energy going. And I'm like, well, there you go. It's that powerful. Learning how to do this, yeah.

TalkToMeGuy : And I wasn't gonna, but I have to. You envision medical intuition eventually being taught in medical schools and integrated into hospitals. Oh, yeah, oh yeah. Oh, yeah. And would you talk about that future and what it might look like?

Wendy Colter: Oh my goodness, you know, think about it. Uh trained, professional, qualified medical intuitives working in hospitals, working in clinics in the ER. There's actually already a medical intuitive I can I know of who works in the ER, and she's highly regarded by the doctors there.

Um this is gonna change, in my opinion, will change medicine, it will change health care because people will be able uh to get to the root causes of what's happening. That what medical institution can offer is fast, it's fast, right? It's immediate when you do this work, it's accurate.

We've already gauged the act, we've measured the accuracy of it. Um, and it's beneficial to both the client and the physician or the practitioner because they can paler their treatment plans to something that's gonna work for this particular client. What I forgot to mention earlier is all the patients and the study we did had chronic issues that we're not resolving, that that Western medicine techniques were not helping them with. The medical intuitive was able to see things that were from other sources uh and other kinds of of practices that could help potentially help the patient. So this is where medical intuition really shines. You can hear I'm on my soapbox with all of this, because we've seen it in our own practices, people healing when they number one hear the origins right there. There's the emotional mental piece of it, the spiritual piece of it, and the physical piece of it when we can say, here might be something, some things you might have not tried that I'm seeing that your body might resonate with.

I mean, how valuable is that? That's gonna shift health care like nothing else. Western medicine is really in trouble, and doctors are leaving the practices in the US. We know there's a shortage of doctors, it's partly the system, and it's partly in that system, the methods by which they need to practice or can only practice.

It's a shame, and it needs to change. So, you know, the more um medical intuitives can integrate into healthcare officially, you know, above board, um, the better it's gonna be for the patients and the practitioners and the providers and healthcare in general. That's my feeling about it.

TalkToMeGuy : And I think that energy hygiene should be taught in schools.

Wendy Colter: Oh my goodness, yes. And um, I mentioned Dr. Wisneski earlier, he and I have been talking for several years about creating curriculums for medical schools. Um, I would love to be able to teach in schools. I need to work with somebody, you know, for kids. I need to work with somebody who has that experience or that expertise that I can partner with to do that. If anybody's listening, please reach out.

I would love to teach kids how to do this because everybody needs this and start young, you know, learn how to master your own energy frequency, energy field. Someone asked a question. Do you mind if I answer it?

Sure. How many appointments are typically needed to clear up a person's issues all the way back to birth conception? Um, for me and my graduates, I can't really speak for any other medical intuitives because everybody's practice is different.

There's not a lot of schools out there that teach a particular method, but my in my method, it's one. And what you're talking about clearing up, uh, it's not quite that. It's about revealing them, Jim. Um, I can look and see what is being shown in regards to an origin of uh an issue, physical or or otherwise. And that information, there'll be recommendations around. There'll be ways to help um, you know, shift energy around that, physical or emotional, mental or whatever. And so in one session, you know, we can take a look at anything you want to look at and uh get to some root causes there.

It doesn't take a lot of sessions. This is not, again, this is not an intervention the way people generally think about it. Interventions might be what the recommendations are.

Your your energy might say, or the information might say this particular kind of energy healing or this particular kind of um, you know, healthcare process or this particular kind of thing that can help release that issue. Does that make sense? It does to me.

And I think it does to Jim. Yeah, because this is informational. It's not interventional, it's not an intervention.

The intervention is what might be recommended is what would be recommended or set of interventions in the session. That's what makes medical intuition different than energy healing or any other kind of interventional process.

TalkToMeGuy : Well, and I think it's from also from this is my opinion, that it's from what is revealed. That's a way of in my mind, that's how it works. Exactly. It's really about the revelation of, oh, I never thought about that. Yes. Then it starts. You've pulled on the string, and once you pull on the string, it's a good analogy.

Wendy Colter: It really is a great analogy. I love that analogy because that's kind of how it is in a session. I'm going to be looking at all these different things, and we're going to be following those strings.

TalkToMeGuy : All right. That was wonderful. Thank you, Richard. Thank you. Uh, we should do this more often than six years.

Wendy Colter: I say yes to that anytime. Thank you.

TalkToMeGuy : All right, everybody. Have a great rest of the week, and we'll see you next week. Bye bye.