Conscious Evolution with Bruce Lipton PhD

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But on science, grounded in hope, his message is both urgent and quietly revolutionary. We are not witnessing humanity's death throws, we are in the cocoon. And as Bruce reminds us, we have the ability to create peaceful societies in which war becomes obsolete. Welcome back, Bruce. It's always a good conversation.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: Richard, I am so honored to be here with you and our community because our community really represents what you might refer to as the cultural creatives, those people who are looking for resolution of life's problems by stepping outside the box, looking for something new. And those are the people who will generate the future and not one based on survival, like this current civilization, but how about a civilization based on thriving? That's what's in our future.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, this is really for later, but I have to say it now. I'm a big fan of kindness. I really think that kindness is a sleeper. I practice sometimes with people that I disagree with completely, and I'm emphatic about that. But I think we can still be kind to each other, which leads to your desire to have cooperation.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: Well, that's the beautiful part about it because, as you just mentioned, the key word of this moment, cooperation, is that unlike today's world belief of a Darwinian life of competition, survival of the fittest, the new scientifically based theory of evolution reveals something quite the opposite. And that is, evolution is based on cooperation, living in harmony, living in community. That was what the garden was that we evolved from, which is a very interesting point because biblical perception via Genesis is that humans are separate from the environment.

The environment was created and then humans were added to set the environment. The fact is, no, we are in evolution of the garden. And as we'll talk about, the garden doesn't exist, neither can we. But the fact that I wanted to emphasize the word garden is, garden by definition is the height of cooperation. A garden means every organism, every plant, every animal, every insect is doing a job to maintain the beauty of the garden. We are an element of that garden and are empowered to be what the Native Americans already knew and lived. We are gardeners in the garden. We're not dominant masters of the garden, we're gardeners. And the significance about that is it puts in the perspective what the problem is today and that perspective is that we're destroying the garden's echo. Well, that means self-destruction because we cannot live outside of the garden. And so the point about this, well, we're on a very downhill run.

Science has given us maybe 20, probably 10 more years before our destructive behavior will sabotage the garden where we will no longer be able to sustain ourselves. So we're facing a very interesting time here. It says if we continue to live the way we are living on this planet at this moment, there's a very short time and we will all face, and I emphasize the word always emphasize, irreversible collapse of civilization. This is scientific reality.

It's not a new age thing I'm talking about. This is the result of science and sustainability in the environment. And we're facing and the significance about that, well, does that mean everybody's going to die? I don't know, people are still here, but they're going to have to learn to live in a different way than the way we are living on today's planet. So the idea is it's not the end of us, but it's the beginning of a new way of life, a new civilization.

And we're on the threshold of right now. And the breakdown that you see the world in chaos is a very positive element, no matter how scary it looks, it's very positive because the current system scientifically unsustainable has to crash because it's not fixable. The civilization's problems are the core of the civilization. So the only way out is the civilization has to collapse, and then a new version, a sustainable version will come from this.

And so we're in the process now of watching the old one in a state of collapse, surprisingly fast actually. And then we're also part and true on this line with Richard. And then by definition, you're part of the evolving community. All of you online are by definition cultural creatives, people who are seeking answers for the future. And I'm so glad Richard's here because he's been offering these answers for his career, for his being online with you all the time. There are answers to how to thrive into the future. And it's all based on changing the way we are living our daily life on this planet. Right, Richard?

TalkToMeGuy: Yes, yeah. And that's one of the things that I really enjoyed about The Darwin Project, your latest book, is this, and I started when I first figured out this is what you were saying, that you're saying Darwin's theory is not just incomplete, it's scientifically incorrect.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: Absolutely. Day and night, it is so wrong. And, you know, it was useful at the time to get us away from the dominance of the church. The church ran civilization until science took over. And Darwin and Newton, well, Newton first and then Darwin brought it home because the church really lost its control when Darwinian theory became a prevalent knowledge on the planet. And people started to stop looking for God and start looking for genes to see how to get through.

And the reality is, it was useful to get us out of an old paradigm. But its continued existence is now the threat that is imminent. And you can feel it in your gut.

Things are not right. And that's the biology telling you the energy and life is energy. That the energy is being lost right now. And it's being threatened. And that means we have to change. And thank you for all being here because as I emphasize, you are a big part of that change. You are the seeds for a new civilization.

TalkToMeGuy: I think it's like the ultimate MLM, multi-level marketing, where they train you. You tell a friend, they tell two friends, those friends all tell two friends. That it's that kind of thing that we're the cooperators here to invoke thought. And, oh, I could be growing some stuff on my front porch. I could be doing this. I could be doing that. Maybe I should not have, I don't know any of the language for fast food, a double big something or other, a triple whopper.

Maybe I should go home and have a salad with some quality protein. That it's the idea of we're re-evolving in real time. I don't have a question there, but I know you have an answer.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: Well, it's basically a return to simplicity. Life was so much easier years ago before big corporations took over and became the competitors with your life, making you a victim, making you a person who will purchase, who will spend your money beyond what you have so you're indebted to the system. This is the whole idea of how one percent of population is actually less than one percent, but how that unit one percent controls the rest of us. And the idea is they're doing the fundamental belief of Darwinian theory, competition, survival of the fittest. And they're doing it, unfortunately, without any care about you. And that's why the emphasis when I say there's no morality in Darwinian theory, you win at any way you can win. If you damage other people and hurt other people while you're competing, who cares? Because it was the resolution, not the process that is important. Am I at the top and how much does it cost? And that's the world we live in.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, I think this is not where I was going to go, but I have to say it. I think that the backstage, we had some conversation talking about cinematic moments, and I feel that they're the people with the money who cannot build data centers fast enough, evidently, because they're just building them like they come out of a shot out of guns. I don't even know how they build them that fast.

But they're doing it in such a way that they're cinematically demonstrating that scene I referred to before where Godzilla is coming to the end and he sees it being destroyed, and so he's fighting and blowing things up as much as possible. And that's the way I feel about data centers. There's a product called a data center that sucks literal life out of the earth by destroying water and making neighborhoods around the data centers have water problems. Up until the data center showed up, they didn't have an issue. Maybe they knew there was a little toxic from glyphosate and that.

But I mean, they were able to evolve around a community that was healthy. Now these data centers are being put in like something out of a space movie where aliens would come in something to destroy the planet. They're sucking the water dry, they're polluting the air, they're using too much electricity because they're not smart enough to invent their own power sources.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: It just blows my mind. In fact, I just read that one third of all the energy produced in Ireland goes to their data centers and there are not many of them. And when you talk about polluting the water, the idea of fracking, you take pure clean water, you put toxic chemicals in it, you pump it under the ground, so you remove it from the available water and you pollute the contents of that water so it's not usable anymore. So what?

Pump up some gas. And the issue about that is you're destroying the water. Is water important? Well, think about it this way.

All the people who are looking to space as a destination to save our ass, all of them, the first thing is does the planet that you're looking at have water? Yeah. Right, that's number one. And here we are destroying the usability of the water by putting chemicals and and polluting the hell out of it and removing it from human consumption or not just human, all consumption.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, and we see and we're and we from a cranky, old, environmentist, hippie, radical kind of guy, it seems like we're aggressively going out of our way just fracking. I'll throw in some glyphosate because I can't help myself. But I mean, just from fracking, I mean, we're literally taking precious water, mixing it with a bunch of toxins and pressurizing it into the earth. How does this make sense in any world?

Bruce Lipton, PhD: Well, this is very important. I like to bring it up because I call myself a scientist. I was my career. I was a research scientist. I want to straighten something out because as of late science gets a bad name. And they blame the problems on science.

And I would just like to take this moment to say, gosh, darn it. The whole idea is wrong. It's not science causing the problem. It's people who use the science to make product that cause the problem. It's technology that uses science to do something else.

And science is what? How does it work? The principles and where is technology?

How can I use this principle to make some money? And the problem about that is, is technology that led to the data centers, technology led to the fractals, technology led to round up, technology led to industrial farming. And it has nothing to do with science. So I just want to make that clear because I get very upset when science is giving a bad rap and science is the thing that can save us. It's technology, the use of that science that is causing the problem.

TalkToMeGuy: And I feel the same way, again, I can't help myself, about AI centers. I'm not opposed to AI. It's what they do with it. It's just exactly what you're saying about science. I'm pro-science. I'm a hippie herbalist, but I'm pro-science.

It was based on reading Pharmacopias, the old pharmaceuticals company, that I learned a lot. But it's just we seem to be thinking that now we're in an administration that hates science because the science is saying, hey, we actually maybe should not destroy all the measuring devices on the earth of the ocean to monitor the oceans. Maybe we should not rip that out. It could be beneficial information and then hurricanes destroy like the Philippines or something. But no, we don't need that. That science, we don't like what that science says, so we're going to destroy it.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: Unfortunately, because all those opportunities for whatever individuals saw money making as a consequence. Let's take it out. Why? Because people don't know that the oceans get screwed and they're going to screw us. They'll buy more petroleum.

They'll pollute more. If I let you know that your life is being limited by what you're doing, I would be interfering in the business model of a world-based science competition. And therefore, to keep your business entity going, you keep the truth far away as you came from the public. Because if the public knew about the consequence of your technology, be it Roundup or as we're talking data centers or anything, the people knew the stuff that we're talking about and had an option. They had an option to that.

We would get rid of it instantaneously. And we're coming to a time and a situation. Well, that decision is going to have to happen whether we make it or not.

It's going to have to end because it's causing our end coming. So, yeah, come up and do. And if you're not ready for it, it's going to hurt. A lot of people are not going to make it through the stresses that will be involved when the job market is completely different, when the food production is so low, you can't afford food, when the water is not available. I say, you want to see some stress that's coming. Well, the point about it is you have to have the stress. The answer is knowledge is power. If you have the knowledge of what's going on, you do not have to be part of that. A people, which I said, lots of people are going to die because of the stress of that time period. And so the significance for all of us right now, and especially a work researcher, is let's get the knowledge to the people now because there is a clock and it is running and it's coming. It's actually called the Doomsday clock.

Perfectly. And the Doomsday clock is less than a half a minute away from midnight, which is the witching hour. It's all over. And the idea about it is the clock goes toward this midnight hour based on the threats to civilization. And now the threats are so great. We are half a minute out on the clock to either fix it or sit back and watch it happen. It's going to cost you your life at some point.

TalkToMeGuy: And so back to, we'll bring this all back, beyond Darwin. You bring together three of my, well two anyway, of my favorite things. You bring epigenetics, whichever since I heard you lecture back in the biology belief days with PVC pipe at the smart life form in Silicon Valley, that so we've got epigenetics, we have quantum science and cooperation. This is once again a t-shirt.

If you put a t-shirt out, I would wear this t-shirt about just bullet points of epigenetics, quantum science and cooperation because there's such radically different worlds. And yet in that last statement you were making, you talked about stress. And you say, and I think you've said earlier, that 90% or more of the illness is due to stress.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: Absolutely. Listen, just for a fact, less than, I want to say it again, less than 1% of all illnesses have anything to do with genetics. Less than 1%. And yet every 15 minutes on TV is how this drug is going to fix you. And the fact was you didn't have a problem other than the stress.

And you don't need a drug, but now you're stressed as to what drug. Yeah. And the fact is, yeah, we're exacerbating the problem and it's only building up. We haven't hit the real stress levels, as we mentioned beforehand, of what happens when you can't afford food because the prices are exceeding the income of people. I think that's a very serious stress. What about the stress if you can't afford to pay the rent or the mortgage or whatever one keeps you in a covered house?

With those gone or on the threat level right in your face, stress levels are going to be most amazing. And since stress is the cause of illness, it's like, yeah, the health care crisis is building up no matter how many drugs the pharmaceutical company has come out with. The health care crisis is an ever-growing percent. Every day it's going up. And that's because the crisis has nothing to do with our body being out of control as much as our mind being out of control.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, and how do we factor in, because we talked about it before, we also talked about it before the show started, is the environmental stressors, the glyphosates, the microplastics, the periquots, the insecticide, all that stuff. That's a whole other area, not in your work but in other people's work. I think that is underrated.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: Oh, well, it's also for my work, for a very simple reason. We have skin. Why is skin important? It's the barrier to the environment. For anything from the environment, it has to come into the skin somewhere. Now, that also means the digestive tract, which is like a tube with skin, a pipe that opens from the mouth to the end. When you put food in it and you eat, it's not really in your body. It's in the pipe.

But what comes out of the food, especially that's in the small intestine, is what can cross through the pipe. Now, the important part of that is your vision and your mind of the life you are creating, a vision of yourself. It's created through the chemistry of your body. Therefore, if you have a positive vision of yourself, then what is transported out of that food pipe, the digestive tract? What's transported from the pipe into the body is determined by the image you're trying to manifest. If you live with a fear image, and that's on your mind, the body sees the picture.

It doesn't say, I don't want this one. It just sees the picture. What you're focusing on is a picture. The brain breaks that picture down into complementary chemistry. That chemistry is put into the blood. The blood carries that chemistry to the cells.

It's the chemistry that controls the genetics and the behavior. All of a sudden, I say, well, how's it working? I said, follow back up to the top.

I said, what was it? The picture in your mind is the first fight. The fact is that you don't realize how powerful you are because you can program your digestive systems to take in only exactly what you want and nothing else. It's a programmable mechanism.

Then I say, yeah, but where are you trying to make? All of a sudden, I go, wow, whatever picture you see yourself in or going to, or the picture you don't want to manifest, but you see the picture, but you don't want to manifest it, the body sees the picture and will translate that into genetics. This becomes important because it says that our vitality, our survival, the character of our life, is not based on anything that's due with genes, but it's based on your consciousness. And then how that consciousness will then manifest what it's conscious of. So if you're conscious of love, you release different chemistry into the body associated with love, like dopamine for pleasure, oxygen for bonding, growth hormone is released in love and the consequence, right, weighs right from that alone is how healthy people become when they fall in love.

Why? The chemistry of the body is encouraging, but in a state of fear, none of those chemicals release other chemicals or stress level chemicals and factors that affect the immune system and inhibit causing problems. These are the chemicals released from that image in the mind. And I said, well, in today's world, are you watching the news? I go, boy, at the end of that, that bout of watching the news, I can tell you the chemistry in your body is not healthy because the chemistry in your body is going to be field chemistry and fear causes stress and hence why we go back a few minutes and say, yeah, and stress is 90% of the health care crisis.

I say, yeah, where'd you get it? So you can watch the news, search the web, you know, and then all of a sudden I say, well, now you will change the chemistry and people don't recognize we are the masters of the chemistry. And if you have no idea about that, then you have no idea about the fact that it's the image in your consciousness that is the drive force of the chemistry.

And by changing your consciousness, changing what you focus on, changing the image you let you see, you change the chemistry of your body and are the master of its expression. Now, people have no idea they're doing that. So without that information, what are they concentrating on in their mind? I say the programs from the outside, the programs of threat, scarcity, ill health, these programs that advertise to you, like, oh my God, you live in a very unsafe world, you live in a very precarious situation, your life is under threat.

And lo and behold, stress. And the only way out is we have to get out of the civilization. So President Donald Trump, thank you for your job, not the one you think you're doing, but the one you're actually doing, you're throwing a monkey wrench, not just into the US, but into civilization and whole. And that monkey wrench is the necessary thing to destroy the civilization, so master destroyer, is necessary because there's no other way to build a new one, while the old one is sucking the life out of us.

TalkToMeGuy: Right. And somewhere in here, I have a note here to myself about this in the Beyond Darwin. You talk about the subconscious program. And so we've talked about that 95% of our data behavior is running on subconscious programming, downloaded before age seven. Most of it. And then it talked about in this section in the book, that you changed your own programs after decades of failed relationships.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: Yeah, what actually what actually works? You had bad programming and you have to get it out and changed it. Yeah. It's all download, not the genes, but the what you download are a very important example. And this is like, there's not one gene that causes cancer.

That's a stop for a second. In a world where cancer is becoming is moving up from number two to number one killer. And then you hear about oh, it's mechanism. Oh, it's your gene that are causing this cancer gene, blah, blah, blah, more research. The fact is, no, there's no gene that causes cancer is a behavior lifestyle program that causes cancer. I say, yeah, where'd you get that from your parent? I said, is that the one had cancer? I go, yeah, oh, well now it's running in your family.

Why? When they looked at infants adopted into families that had cancer running in the family, the infants, as they grew up, got the same family cancers as the family they grew up in, yet those people had totally different genetics. Cancer was a downloaded dysfunctional program that activates cancer. The idea of drugs and clinicals killing cancer cells is the biggest joke in the world. Unless the growth is so physically impairing you, killing cancer cells is too late, meaning those cells already have the cancer. Your intention is to stop the cells from getting the cancer. So killing the ones that have the cancer, did that stop the new one. I don't know.

You're missing the point. You want to prevent the cancer. The cells that have it already have it, so you're not preventing it. So the issue is our belief system, and that the cancer is genetic. That makes us victims, and then that takes away your power. And when you feel powerless, you look to a source of power. And then if you look to the medical association, and there's some good parts of medicine, as I was talking to Richard earlier, surgery is fantastic. It's like micro industry, working on these small vessels and things.

Yeah, that's really cool. We're good. Medicine is good at it. That part's good. But medicine as a whole, and this is a fact, I'm not saying this out of school, folks.

It's a fact published in what the Journal of the American Medical Association and the British Medical Journal, both of them, published independently research that revealed, and this is the point, that the practice of medicine is the third leading cause of death. I go, what? What's the problem? The answer is the lack of knowledge and their insistence upon a pharmaceutical medication healing process is self-destructive. Pharmaceutical people, 300,000 people die from prescription drugs every year in the US, with less than 100,000 dying from illegal drugs. We have a war on illegal drugs, and not one person mentions how many people die from the prescription drugs, which is far greater than those that die from illegal drugs. We should have a war on a pharmaceutical company.

Why? I taught in a medical school. I had a curriculum to teach. I go, so I say, the curriculum in a large part, listen to this, is determined by the interest of the money that comes from the pharmaceutical industry. In other words, pharma is actually building a curriculum in a medical school that does what? Sell pharmaceutical drugs. That is, when the doctors come out, they are drug dealers. They are there to sell you drugs, and the reality is that's death. And the fact is, you need the drugs. I go, no, because less than 1% of the illnesses associated with the mechanism that controls the body, that you have to learn how to live a different way, eat a different way, live a different way, relate to each other in a different way. And then you have an opportunity to move beyond the limitations of today's world. Richard notes that. He's the boss guy who can have people tell you that.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, I think it's, there was a wonderful woman I interviewed. Boy, I have no sense of time other than a 59 minute hour. More than seven years ago, Gwen Olson. And Gwen was a pharmaceutical rep for many years. And she was incredibly successful. She was really good at that, at that job.

And she really learned how to indoctrinate herself into the doctor's lives, knew when the kids' birthdays were, knew when the anniversary was, knew all of the stuff to make, to establish that, you know, rapport with the doctor and his staff. And then one day, she woke up and went, I almost said a bad word. She said a bad word and said, what the blank am I doing?

I cannot do this anymore. And she wrote a tell all book talking about everything that I just said about the indoctrination, how they train you to do this, how they train you, because the spooky part is the pharmaceutical rep is the, is the pipeline to the doctor's knowledge. Once they leave school, it's the pharmaceutical rep that educates them because they're trained to be that person. Right.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: And they're a mission. They're a mission to make the biggest commission they can every month. And they've, and I think genuinely they feel like they're doing something good because look, drugs are good. But anyway, she wrote this book and she said, that's it, I'm leaving the country.

Because I know when this book comes out, they will want to find me and handle me in a bad way. Absolutely. And so she's gone. You're messing with another million dollar business, a billion dollar business. Yeah. When you mess with something that big, human life isn't worth anything.

Yeah. With that much money, you, you don't have to exist. And they may not have you have any interest in you existing. And if you think, Oh, that's fiction and stuff that they would kill somebody, I go, no, it's Darwinian. What? I need to win.

I don't care where it costs, costs that person to get rid of them, get them in the way. Yeah. And people have this like, some kinds of like, Oh, these, no, these people are here to help me. They're here to help me.

And I go, no, first, let me emphasize this. First, they're here to help them. Now, if you get helped in the process, that's pretty good. If you don't get help, that's not your their problem either.

As long as you pay for the process, the drug, you know, you have participated in the program. So people have to understand it's not benevolence that this world is built on. It's built on personal growth, personal opportunity to get more to compete and beat the other ones. That's what it's based on. So if you're one of those like, no, they're here to help me, I go, no, I would reconsider that.

TalkToMeGuy: You might want to rethink that. Yes. The part that I didn't mention we were talking before, and the audience knows that I had a bunch of 30 hours of surgeries, and I was in a healthcare facility for a year. And at some point, I had a blow up with my doctor, because I was having somebody bring me in high quality protein drinks and vitamin C. Just vitamin C powder, no special supplements. And my friend who was bringing it to me got in trouble with the front desk because they were like, well, the doctor has to prove this and blah, blah, blah. And she was the wrong person to say that to because she knew me and cared about me, meaning the person bring it into me. And at some point, she told the doctor, bad words, and said, go talk to Richard about this. And the doctor and I had a knockdown drag out fight from my hospital bed saying, she said, okay, I get it.

You know what you're doing, do it. I don't want to talk about it anymore. And that was it. That was it. But for the other 249 people in this facility, they didn't have that. Yep. They were eating the slop that the chef was cooking.

And it wasn't her fault. I used to walk around having been in the restaurant world. When I was ambulatory, I would walk around with the head of the kitchen and just talk about the production of the thing. She was given the lowest quality product possible and told to turn it into food.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: And that's a simple thing called profit. Yeah, high price. Why should we spend money when we don't have?

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah, why should we feed these sick people anyway, they're going to die? Or they're not going to necessarily die. But it was just like, you know, just keep the beds full as possible and keep them turning through.

And so for most of that year, I was living on these high quality protein shakes and occasional apasauce and vitamin C. And I came out healthier than most people have ever been. Yeah. But it's a thing you have to fight for yourself or you have to come up with the, in a certain way, that was the doctors and minds cooperation moment. It just went out to that differently in a different way.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: I mean, Richard, the first thing you said, do not look at these corporations as looking for you as their primary job. You are not the primary job of an organization, okay, a corporation.

You are the useful instrument, that job. But they're not necessarily there for you. They're there first for the same. As a matter of fact, in US law, listen to this, this is law, that the function of a corporation, and this is the fact, is to provide some money to the investors, you know, to return the investors money with interest, to make money for the investors. That is the primary motivation of a corporation by law. If the corporation isn't making an effort to give a profit to the shareholders, then it's open to liability by the government.

So that is this, is the pharmaceutical company there to help you? Well, you might be down on this, but number one, no, they're there for the shareholders first. And I say, well, how does they make a profit for the shareholders? And here comes the simplicity, they charge more than the service is worth. And that extra charge is the motivation of profit.

Yeah. And therefore, if you think they're there to help you, no, first by law, they're there to help themselves. And you might come in second, maybe third or fourth, depending on what the intentions of a corporation are. But clearly this, clearly a fact, a corporation main function is not to support you, it's to support the shareholders by law. And that's it.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, in healthcare, it's almost like we're a byproduct. Well, we're just going through the factory, and the factory is processing us and the best way to make profits because that's what it's designed for, a for-profit enterprise.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: And then they score to sell the other end. If you hear yourself, you're not making profit for them.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: Hence the motivation not to hear you, just to keep you stringing on. Yes. Why? Because as long as you're stringing on, they're contributing to their coffers at that time. If you hear yourself, you are no use to that corporation.

Yeah. And therefore, how long do I take statin for it, which are the useless jug of all because they don't do what they, what they say. Statins do have help 3% of the people, but injured 25 or so percent of the people with side effects. So 3% get better and 25% get worse from statin. And how long do you take statins?

The doctors say how long do you want to live? Yeah. I mean, the rest of my life, I go, yeah, but now guess what? You're a club member, and you pay in dues every month to buy more statins.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, you pay lifelong dues for the curse.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: That's a club that I don't want to be in. No, no, no.

TalkToMeGuy: And okay, we're jumping into the quantum field now, which is one of my favorite fields, is the, in the beyond Darwin, you talk about quantum physics tells us the universe is immaterial, mental and spiritual. And that appeared in the scientific journal. So we know it must be valid. What does it mean that science is arriving at conclusions mystics have held for centuries?

Bruce Lipton, PhD: Okay. I think that in subdivisions, there's two separate realms, matter and energy. And according to Newtonian physics, the realms don't interact. In other words, energy does not affect matter. Matter does not affect energy. Energy affects energy matter affects matter.

And the point about this is what? Well, if we look at health, then we say the body is made out of matter. And the only way according to physics that you can work with that body is not through the energy, which is consciousness and spirituality. No, ignore that. That's an energy that doesn't deal with matter is then to treat the body as a physical entity with chemistry, pharmaceuticals, and surgery, mechanical manipulation. And we bought that and we live by it.

And it goes on. But by 1927, scientists were taking the atom apart and finding first in 1895, they found protons, neutrons, and electrons. And then since then, they found that even those particles are made out of smaller particles, a quark, you know, for example, and what are those particles made out and that's when the world changed, because they found that the base of what was called a particle was a vortex of energy, like a nano tornado of energy or force. And that is the heart of the atom. It's a force that manifests the atom and it's an energy. So basically anything made out of atoms is actually made out of energy. And that's the illusion that we live in of a material world where matter is just a strange form of energy. And the significance about that is energy affects energy.

Yeah, but that was given. We get rid of the concept of matter and just say strange energy at that point. But energy affects energy. And what was left out when Newton came in, which is what spirituality, consciousness, energy feels, they're back.

And they're not just back. The word for the invisible energy, you're in right now wherever you are, you're in an aquarium of energy all around you is invisible energy things that are obvious or a cell phone broadcast, telephone, television, radio, solar energy. These are an energy environment.

Okay. And the significance about that is that these energies are called a field and energy field. Now I'm going to give you the quote that if you understand it, then the world is different. Here's the quote from Albert Einstein. Love Field is the sole governing agency of the particle, which is magic.

And so the quote from Einstein simply says the field, the invisible energy is the sole governing force of matter. And all of a sudden it says, Oh my God, you know, where's your field come from? Well, there are two fields we've neglected because we left them out of Newton. And that is consciousness and spirituality. And now, as an understanding that spirituality is a field because it's a same definition spirit, invisible moving forces that influence the physical world field invisible moving forces that influence the physical world that quantum physics as one of the the valid most valid sciences on this planet recognize the spirituality as an energy field. The spirituality transcends metaphysics, not science. It is science. And each of us is downloading an energy field that no other human is downloading. I don't know what I'm talking about. I go on the surface of yourselves, those with nuclei in the cells, there are sets of proteins that are antennas, the receptors receivers, they're called self receptors.

Now, there was title for a different reason, but the title actually turns out to be more accurate when you understand this. The self receptors download an energy field. No two people in the entire world have the same set of self receptors. Each human has their own set. I guess what the hell is that mean? Well, each human is downloading an energy field that is unique to them.

No other person has this. I go, well, it's an energy field. I say, well, quantum physics, the exchange of word spirit with energy field, because it's the same thing. Each of us is downloading a unique vibrational energy field, which is officially referred to as spirit. No two people share this field. I go, so our identity is not coming from the genes.

Identities coming from the energy field downloaded through those receptor antennas. Now the analogy that you can put in the whole thing makes perfect sense. The body is like a television set and the spirit is the show being broadcast. And so when you're alive, you're downloading a program to play on your body, which is a television manifesting 3G, that program, basically. And then I say, yeah, but if you're watching a TV and it breaks, we say TV is dead.

And I go, yep, it's not working anymore. Question, the TV died? Did the broadcast stop?

I go, no. Broadcast is in the field. It doesn't stop. So my identity, Bruce, yours, Richard, it's not the genetics.

Nope, nope, nope. It's the energy field that's being picked up by yourself receptors. And this is why you can't exchange organs with each other because the organs have your antennas on them for yourself. The recipient of an organ has their antennas and their self.

And if you put yourselves with your antennas downloading your broadcast into another body, the other body will have to get rid of it because you can have two sources fit in the same body. So the immune system will eliminate the foreign cells. So each of us has our own personal set of cells. And the cells are receiving a download. If the body, the GV, breaks, the broadcast is still there.

And then comes the interesting part. If an embryo in the future shows up with the same set of antennas, self receptors, you are back. But in a different TV. So to make a difference if that new TV, that new body is male or female, I go, no, that's the TV, you're the broadcast. Make a difference if the new body that new TV is white, brown, black, red, yellow. That's the color of the TV. That's not you.

You're the broadcast. And the wake up call has to come because people have used the word spirit and bounce it all around. Yeah, I'm spirit.

I say you don't even understand it. Spirit is the science spirit is the field of information. Our lives engage with that field. And what we do in this life influences our field.

And that's called karma. And if we're living out of harmony in this life, then we're putting this harmony into our identity field, which will affect the next life. And so the significance about all this is we see each other as just bodies, you're here, you're dead, and you're gone. Oh, yeah, I'm spirit.

Yeah, that doesn't mean anything. You're here, you're dead, you're gone. Now it changes. Now it says, how you're living this life affects your identity, your spirit. And more than that, it also influences your next life at the same time that each of us is an energy field, not the body. You're looking at the TV. And the TV is very important.

Why? Because the program can operate the body to do things. It can move, it can create, it can manifest. Yeah, that's how you take a belief, a wish, a desire, and you can turn it into reality using the physical body as like a robot, in that sense. But there's something more. The body also experiences sensation, emotions.

And these are sent back to source. Love is a definition I can give you, but love is a sensation that only you can experience. So we can give definitions through emotions, but the emotions are actually due to the chemistry. And that chemistry affecting nervous system gives the body a sensation, but it also feeds information into the field of who we are. So a very important insight to all of us comes down to. There is a belief you've been programmed with, that if you have a really good life when you die, you can go to heaven in the afterlife.

I would like to suggest a completely different scientific point of view. And as it says, you were born into heaven. Earth is the place of manifestation of your wish or desire for what heaven is. Everyone has, I say, tell me what your vision of heaven is, and everybody can give me a different vision. Yeah, but on earth you can manifest every one of those visions. And that we are here to manifest what?

I go, well, when you fall in love and you experience something called the honeymoon, you experience what is equally called heaven on earth. And the idea is this is why we are here as biological entities playing or responding to the programming that is controlling the behavior and the sensations and we're here to manifest. But if we've been programmed by other people, then what we manifest is not coming from our conscious mind, the wishes and desires. What we manifest is what the program we were given was manifest. And that's how this wonderful creative opportunity to live heaven on earth got lost because we are living programs 95% of the day. And therefore we're not living the creative wishes and desires we hold in our conscious mind. We're playing subconscious programs. If you understand this, you can change the character of your life.

You did automatically. When you fell in love, science recognizes that's the equivalent of the red pill in the matrix. When you fell in love, you stopped playing the programs and what you were now creating from conscious wishes and desires. And I said, and what did you create when you fell in love? I go, the honeymoon, I say, yeah, what's that heaven on earth?

You finally began to manifest why you came here to live heaven on earth. Do that though. We have to be conscious of the fact that we've been programmed and the programs that we get from other people are 95% controlling the character of our lives. And that insight and information gives you the opportunity to say, I can change those programs. You can change them.

And when you change them, your life will change instantly and automatically. I came from bad programming. My father and mother had dysfunctional relationship.

I downloaded my father's dysfunctional behavior as a result for 50 years. I couldn't find a good relationship because 95% of the day, we don't play the, just emphasize, we don't play the programs during the honeymoon. That's when your partner gets to know you and fall in love with you. But at some point, you start thinking and then the programs show up. And that's when the love changes. And 50% of these relationships, after experiencing these programs that were never experienced during the honeymoon, never played them. Once they start to experience some of it, it's not the person they fell in love with them. 50% of marriages fall apart because the spiritual creative person gave way to the program person.

And that's a different entity. And so the reality is what, we didn't come here to mess up and create the mess that is destroying a planet, the chaos that we're in. We didn't come to do that.

Those are programs that were put upon us by people who control. We came here to have the love. We came here to manifest the heaven on earth. And the problem is the programs that we have been downloaded, the far greater number more than 60% are disempowering and self-sabotaging, preventing us from experiencing what we want. We're experiencing what the program will give you. And if you look at the world, that's not a great destination.

TalkToMeGuy: And so our bodies on, I'll say cellular level, although it's beyond cellular, don't actually have an issue or resistance to what I would call the honeymoon effect, to the honeymoon effect, meaning the bliss point.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: The lips, if we did it right, beyond 150 years. But the way we're living is self-destructive. And people that get to be 90, 100 is celebrated. And that's like, well, you should have lived up to 150. But the diet that we're eating, the environment we're trying to survive in, the programs that are taken over the character of our genes in our life, are all limiting of our existence. And more importantly, how we have lost the idea that every day should be a honeymoon.

Every day should be heaven on earth. That was what we were given to be here. And unfortunately, the manipulation of knowledge and programming has taken out of the way from us. Yeah.

TalkToMeGuy: And when we, moving into the more esoteric side, well, not too esoteric really, when we meditate and get above the noise of everybody, including ourselves, or in my case, especially ourselves, is there an opportunity to wander in multi-dimensions?

Bruce Lipton, PhD: Well, absolutely. We're not locked into here. You have a body that will download you, but you're not stuck here. You're not, that's my destination. You're a field. You could be anywhere.

And doing anything. You're an identity. You're not the body.

You're the broadcast. And we have to recognize this because we're facing a situation where if you want to get through this mess, you're going to have to take your power back. And we're going to change the civilization and collapse whether you want it to or not. The idea is when it collapses, are you going to be on the side that will pass on to the next and higher level of evolution? Or will you get lost? A lot of people will be lost as the current of evil continues to manifest. Yes. Yeah. Richard, I might have to go.

TalkToMeGuy: No, I think we have to stop now. We could do this for another hour, but we'd both have to take a minute.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: We have more to talk about, so we should do a a second show.

TalkToMeGuy: Absolutely a sequel. I would love to have you back for a sequel. Yeah, definitely have you back for a sequel because we're obviously both talkers. And it's a great arena of information. I've always been a fan of the quantum field, meaning the multi-dimensional kind of concept. And I think we don't take advantage of it as much as we could. So that's why the question about when we get above all the noise and particularly as I say, I have head-brain issues because of much thinking. But I think it's a great arena out there where we might step through a field that would go, oh, I remember Bliss. Cool. I'm taking that with me.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: I love it because that's essentially the last 30 years of my life. Yeah. Congratulations. Having understood the nature of a program and changing a program. Yeah. This is, I've stepped out of it. I'm here, but I'm not part of what the hell's going on.

TalkToMeGuy: Congratulations. Congratulations.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: Thank you. I enjoy it.

TalkToMeGuy: Thank you. Yeah, I bet. Thank you so much, Bruce. That was a blast as always.

Bruce Lipton, PhD: Well, I enjoyed talking with you and I very much appreciate our audience because I know that they are here for something better and they'll find it on your show. So I appreciate that. Thank you so much.

TalkToMeGuy: Thank you. Have a great rest of the week, everybody, and we'll see you next

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