Toxic Legacy - Glyphosate VS The Environment

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TalkToMeGuy: With that, Dr. Stephanie Seneff is a research scientist at MIT's Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory in Cambridge, Massachusetts. She has a BS degree from MIT in biology and MSEE and PhD degrees from MIT in electrical engineering and computer science. Her recent interest had focused on the role of toxic chemicals and micronutrient deficiencies in health and disease with a special emphasis on the pervasive herbicide glyphosate and the mineral sulfur. Since 2008, she's authored over three dozen peer-reviewed journal papers on these topics.

She's the author of a book on glyphosate titled Toxic Legacy, How the Wheat Killer Glyphosate is Destroying Our Health and the Environment, which was released by Chelsea Green Publishers July 1st, 2021. Welcome, Stephanie.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: So great to be here. Thank you for having me.

TalkToMeGuy: All right, everybody, please just relax, take a deep breath, have a glass of water by because this is going to get... it's always exciting with Stephanie and I get to talk about glyphosate or... oh man, it's mind-blowing. But first I just want to read a couple of comments by some people who've read the book and reviewed it because it really does give it many kudos. Toxic Legacy is both a scientific expose and a call to action. Senef's work will change the way we all think about food, Mark Hyman MD. Important nutritional guidance for consciousness consumers who want to avoid glyphosate-contaminated foods and improve their health. Toxic Legacy will stand shoulder to shoulder with Rachel Carson, Senate Spring, not just defining the pervasive threat to us and future generations, but more importantly articulating what we can do right now to change our destiny.

David Polamotter, MD. And I want to ask you a foundational question. Is it still...

I think I got this from you, perhaps at a last show. American crops about one pound of glyphosate per person per year is used. Is that still accurate? Wow.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: That's right.

TalkToMeGuy: That's mind-blowing. One pound per person. We should all get out a one pound bag of something and think about how much that is.

It just is really blows my mind. And I think I'll start here. Was your research on glyphosate... Was your world of... Wow, glyphosate really started by your research on ADHD?

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Autism. It was autism.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: I started out around... I was aware of autism from way back. I had a friend back in the early 1980s whose son got a DPT shot, had a bad reaction, had seizures a week later and was diagnosed with autism, later diagnosed with autism. And that planted a seed in my mind about autism to watch for it.

And I saw the numbers going up in the 2000s, early 2000s, consistently going up every year. And it was kind of like, oh, we're just diagnosing it more. Don't worry. Type of messaging.

But I didn't think so. I thought there has to be something in the environment that's doing this. And I was determined to figure out what it was. And I did start with vaccines. I worked on looking at other things too, like lead and mercury in the teeth and all kinds of fluoride, various things that I could find looking for correlations, not seeing it really. The vaccines are correlated for sure. And I think they're a causal factor. But I didn't feel like the vaccines were the whole story. After about five years, I happened to be at a conference where Professor Don Huber was speaking about glyphosate. He gave a two-hour presentation, and I didn't know what glyphosate was.

I'm embarrassed to admit this was in 2012. I didn't know the word. But I was like, well, that sounds interesting. Let me check it out.

You know, another chemical. Let me take a look. I was blown away. I mean, that was a game changer for me.

I heard that two-hour presentation. I walked away convinced that I had found my answer. And it was really because I had been researching autism. I understood a lot about the complexities of autism. It's not just a brain problem.

You know, there's various mineral toxicities and deficiencies. I mean, there was a lot going on with the autistic kids not really managing things very well. There was something weird about their metabolism, I felt, you know, that they weren't able to handle exposures the way other kids were. And it was causing, eventually causing brain problems.

But when he talked about glyphosate specifically, what it does, it fits so well with what I was seeing from autism. I was looking for something in the food or something that was upsetting the gut. You know, I knew there was a really big gut problem with the autistic kids. And I also knew there was a mineral problem, like they couldn't handle minerals well. Manganese could be both toxic and deficient at the same time. You know, they were messed up with the minerals.

And both of those were a home run with respect to glyphosate. Also the sulfur problem, autistic kids, they release sulfate in their urine. And yet they have sulfate deficiency in their blood and in their brain.

So they're shedding sulfate for some weird reason. I mean, the whole thing is just so screwed up. And you're like, what is going on with these kids?

Glyphosate explains all of it. And I talk about it in my book, I talk a lot about autism, because that's really been my passion. I feel like I know, I understand autism. And I feel like if we banned glyphosate, tomorrow we would see the autism rate start dramatically dropping.

TalkToMeGuy: Mike drop. And that was a great show. Thank you so much. It really blows my mind. You've heard it, but you've said it before. And each time it blows my mind as a kid, although I'm old enough that I was exposed pretty regularly to the DDT.

And that scene in North by Northwest where there are crop dusters flying across the fields, it was cool as a kid driving to the Salinas Valley to stick your head out the window and get crop dusted.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Seems like a thing you do.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff:

TalkToMeGuy: Oh boy. Yeah, exactly. Oh boy. And so I had some people wouldn't believe it now, but I had some autistic characteristics as a kid and dyslexia. And I always had a gut feeling that it was part of that was the toxic load from the glyphosate.

TalkToMeGuy: I mean, sorry, not glyphosate, DDT. And I grew up around the Salinas Valley. So there was just tons of chemicals. They were methal bromating the fields and oh my lord. Yeah. So yeah.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Well, glyphosate is interesting because it's, you know, we've been led to believe very strongly led to believe that it's a wonderful chemical because it kills all plants except those that have been engineered to resist it. And it's completely harmless to humans. That's the message. And people are convinced that the government regulators know what they're doing. That's the big mistake that people make because they don't. And the industry knows how to fool them. And they get fooled.

They probably want to be fooled because they want to believe that glyphosate can be so miraculous because of course it does help reduce the cost of growing food because you don't have to get people out pulling weeds. Right. You can't do manual labor. You just pour the poison over the crop from the airplane. Your crop is resistant because you've engineered it to be so. So it's a, you know, it's a tremendous boon to agriculture until it isn't because what happens is over time, the weeds develop resistance to glyphosate. And then you have to use more and more glyphosate every year, which is what happened.

The rate of glyphosate usage went up dramatically in the first 10 years of this century as a consequence of the introduction of these round up ready crops. Corn, soy, canola, sugar beets, alfalfa, these are sort of core crops, you know. Many of those crops end up in the processed foods because you've got, you get the, you know, the corn, of course, is the sugar. Fructose, high fructose corn syrup is sugar. And then you've got the sugar beets are also sugar. And then you've got the, the soy, you know, soy protein bars. Those things are really toxic.

TalkToMeGuy: Probably low. And the impossible and the impossible burger.

Speaker 5: The impossible burger.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: I would never touch it. And then it's been tested by Zen Hanukkah. And she found, you know, glyphosate in it at pretty high levels in the burger. I would never eat one of those things. Not to mention just the way it's made, you know, with putting genetic engineering, I think it's E. Coli or yeast or something and growing them with this plant like heme. I mean, it's just disgusting to think about in my opinion.

TalkToMeGuy: And I've never known a vegetarian or a vegan who is looking for their meat substitute burger to bleed.

Speaker 4: Lol, I think they probably even want that, right? No, they don't want that. They thought that was a cool saying like what? Yeah.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: I guess they're hoping to draw more people in who want that, who want that meat flavor to get it to draw more people into the vegan mentality.

TalkToMeGuy: So this bleeds so perfectly into the bigger question I was going to ask after that. Can you talk, I don't think we have a real grok or understanding of all the ways that we can be exposed or consume or inhale glyphosate.

Could you, and I'm going to sort of steer you in case you go a different direction. I'm really interested in the output of, in Brazil they do a lot with corn to make biofuels.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: So that's whole You're not so glad you brought that up. Right. I can go with that one for sure because it's really been an eye-opener for me and that's something that I didn't really become aware of until just when COVID hit. Once COVID hit, I started to get curious because I saw that the first three places where things kind of lit up, you know, the, of course, Wuhan and then Lumberdy region of Italy and then New York City, sort of three places where you became aware, oh my God, this thing is real, it's serious and it's coming at me, right?

That was really an eye-opener when it came to New York City. But all three of those places have heavy air pollution. All three of them have biofuels and use a lot of glyphosate on the crops. So that was kind of an interesting thought to me and I hadn't even been aware of biofuels really before that.

I hadn't really looked into it at all. Once I started looking, I was like, holy cow, because if you think about the wheat crop, they spray it with glyphosate, in wheat, not a GMO crop, but they spray it with glyphosate to kill it and to bring, you know, to synchronize the yield. The going, the crop, when it gets hit with glyphosate, it goes to seed. So you get a, you get all the crop uniformly producing seed at the same time. So when you harvest, you get a greater yield that way. And it also dries it out, so it's easier to clear the crop for next year. And of course, also the glyphosate kills the weeds, so you get a head start on next year's weeds. So people think, oh, that's great, let's just do that. Spray the crop with glyphosate right before harvest.

And that's why we have an epidemic and see the active disease, I suspect. But that's a detour. Getting back to the, to the biofuels, then they take this double after they've harvested the crop and they throw it on a barge, take it down to a city like New York City, process it through a processing plant and out comes biofuels. And that's biodiesel, bioethanol, biogas, you know, all these different biofuels. They even have biohome heating oil, which is required 5% in New York. Anyone who uses heating oil for their home heating has to use 5% bio. So, and they've got the biogas, you know, biogas can leak out of leaky pipes under cities.

That happens in lots of old cities. The biogas leaks out and you're going to have glyphosate leaking out with the gas. So that comes to be glyphosate in the air. And that was extremely interesting to me when, when COVID first hit, I had been looking into a condition that I suspected was being caused by glyphosate right before COVID hit, which is this vaping, you know, people who vape, and they had this, they had this weird lung disease that was showing up and I was reading about it.

And I was like, this is so strange, I bet you glyphosate, it's just a hunch, you know, I bet you glyphosate. And I started to look and I found out that, that the base of the, of this e-cigarette is glycerol. And glycerol is a, is the major byproduct of the biofuel industry. When you get done making your fuels, what you've got left over is lots of glycerol. So the market's flooded with glycerol because they've really been heating up. The biofuel industry has been blossoming in the last few years, really growing fast.

And of course, there's this whole concept of saving oil, you know, all the good stuff. But the fact is, when you put glyphosate in that biofuel, it becomes extremely toxic, I think. And so the glyphosates are getting into the air in the cities where these, now they've got these, and Brazil in particular, they have designed these trucks to run on practically pure biofuel, like 70% biofuel.

You have to design the engine especially to make it that work. But they've got these big trucks in Brazil spewing out, you know, I suspect, spewing out glyphosate. Now, if it gets to combustion, it'll be broken down. But that's going to also produce nitrogen and phosphorus in toxic gases in the air.

You know, even if it gets broken down, it's not going to be a free ride. But the glyphosate that's left over, I suspect, that survives and doesn't get into combustion because of a poorly tuned engine or, you know, when it's idling. I mean, there's ways in which the glyphosate can escape, evaporate into the air before it gets to combustion, I suspect.

And that's all sort of theoretical. But Brazil did a study a couple years ago where they looked at glyphosate contamination in nanoparticles in the air, and they looked in the areas, agricultural areas where they were heavily using glyphosate, and sure enough, they found it. Then they looked in the city where they weren't, there was no agriculture, looked in the city, and they found almost the same levels in the city.

They were surprised. So I think it's getting into the air through that process of the biofuels. This disease, this lung disease looks a whole lot like COVID, the disease that people get from smoking e-cigarettes. It looks a whole lot like COVID. It was kind of a lung toxicity. It's a pulmonary, what's it called? See, I lost the word. I'm sorry.

TalkToMeGuy: I know that there's pulmonary edema, but I don't know. You know, more than an infection, there's a toxic response, damage, pulmonary damage, you know, which happens with COVID as well. But I think the people who get really bad COVID, I bet you would find a tremendous, if you looked, you would find a strong correlation between the level of glyphosate in their urine and the degree to which they can handle COVID. I suspect.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: And I talked a little bit about it in my book. In my book, I have a whole chapter on glyphosate and the immune system. It's quite fascinating. And I think that glyphosate is causing this severe disruption of the innate immune system, the innate system, not the adaptive. The adaptive is where you get the antibodies. And our whole program on COVID is geared towards getting people to produce sky high antibodies to the spike protein, you know, through the vaccination program. That's the goal.

And it works really well. The vaccine is producing incredibly high antibody response, typical of what you would get with severe disease. People who get a mild case hardly even develop any antibodies to the spike protein in a normal situation. But it's a severe disease that produces super high antibodies. And that's what you get with the vaccine. It acts like your body reacts as if it's been exposed to severe, a severe case of COVID.

And you need the antibodies when the innate immune system isn't working. And I wrote a lot about that in my book. It's quite fascinating because there are these proteins that are very special, that are several different proteins that are in a class that has a characteristic collagen-like stalk.

This gets a little bit technical, but it's very interesting, I think. And the collagen-like stalk is an amino acid sequence that looks like collagen. And collagen has this especially unique property of having long, long sequences of what's called GXY, GXY, GXY, GXY, where every third amino acid is a glycine residue.

Tremendous levels of glycine in collagen. And collagen itself is the most common protein in the body. 25% of the body's proteins are collagen. Collagen's the glue, you know, it's in the joints, it's in the bones, it's in the brain, it's like the thing that holds the body together and cushions the joints. And collagen has this beautiful triple helix crystal structure that depends on those glycines every third amino acid. Glyphosate goes in, I believe, and this is the big argument in my book, substitutes for that glycine at random places in the molecule and prevents the collagen molecule from folding correctly into this triple helix structure, which then messes up its properties in a big way. So it does the same thing to these collagen-like stalks on these proteins that are very important for the immune system. And a group of them are these surfactants that are produced in the lungs. And those surfactants grab viruses and trap them. So when those things are broken, the virus can't be trapped. It goes in. Wow.

TalkToMeGuy: And so that makes me jump to asking about we have an elevated rate of liver, fatty liver issues. Right. Is glyphosate in that mix? Is glyphosate one of the factors in there? Absolutely.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: And that's another chapter in my book. I have a whole chapter on the liver. I had a lot of fun with the liver. Every chapter was a challenge. I'll tell you, the gut chapter was the hardest one to write, but I was pleased with the outcome. It took me a long time to kind of work that story out.

But that's a very complicated story. But the liver, very, very interesting. And I believe it has to do with, there are several things that glyphosate, there are several enzymes that glyphosate disrupts. And some of them are really critical in the mitochondria. So there's a succinate dehydrogenase is an enzyme that's super critical in the mitochondria.

It links together. It works both as part of the citric acid cycle and as part of the phosphorylation. Those are the two big things that mitochondria do. And this enzyme plays an important role in both of them. And this enzyme is suppressed by glyphosate.

That's been shown in multiple studies and I gave the references in the book. But there's another enzyme that I think glyphosate is suppressing that hasn't been studied. It's called PEPCK, Phosphoenylpyruvate carboxykinase. It's a very, very important enzyme everywhere. But in the liver, it plays a super, a super role. And it basically is essential for being able to process fats through the mitochondria and turn them into sugar.

And so there's a whole process. The liver can actually kind of reverse engineer and make sugar out of fats. And it needs this enzyme to do that. And this enzyme has a characteristic structure at the place where there's a critical glycine residue that binds phosphate. And I talk about in my book, it's exactly modeled by the enzyme that glyphosate famously disrupts in the plants called EPSP synthase. So there's some, you know, biology, technical biology behind this. But when you study, people have identified EPSP synthase, how glyphosate disrupted.

That's been the argument. That's the enzyme that the plants totally depend on to make critical aromatic amino acids. Glyphosate disrupts that enzyme. The plant dies.

That's the basic story of how glyphosate kills the plants. And then the good, the happy, happy line is that, oh, we don't have that pathway. We don't have that enzyme.

Therefore, our cells are safe. That's the argument that's used to say this is a great chemical, because it doesn't affect our, we don't have the enzyme that it affects in the plants. But the problem is we have other enzymes that are lookalikes to that enzyme.

And you can find those enzymes and you can see that if glyphosate were to cause the same problem for those enzymes, you would have the very things we see that glyphosate causes. So it's all a big puzzle that I've worked out in the book in great detail. I'll tell you, I tried to make the book as light as possible. So don't be too scared away by the biology. There is some biology in there, but it's, I tried to kind of buffer it with some explanations and some help for the people who don't have a biology background.

So I'm hoping that it can reach a lot, a larger audience than just the experts. But anyway, getting back to this PEPCK, really, really fascinating, because if that enzyme is disrupted, you're going to get fatty liver disease because mitochondria can't process fats. And you're going to get high blood sugar because the body needs to depend on that enzyme to turn other things into sugar when the blood sugar drops low. So what, you know, if your blood sugar goes too low, you end up in a coma.

And you have mechanisms that say, Oh my God, we've got to do something here. The blood sugar is too low. Let's make some sugar and let's deliver does that for you. It makes the sugar and dumps it into the blood to keep it from being too low. So if you're exercising vigorously, the blood sugar is dropping, you can go into a coma unless you have the facility with this enzyme to make more. And when you don't, your body says, Oh my God, you got to raise the set point for sugar because we can run into trouble. It will sort of observe through experience.

We need to raise the set point. So then you get this kind of elevated blood sugar that's a precursor to diabetes. And eventually it becomes full blown diabetes because of this enzyme being broken, I think, you know, so fatty liver disease, I mean, that's been shown. They did a rat study fairly recently where they exposed the rat to rats to levels of glyphosate that were below the regulatory limit over a period of time. And those rats developed fatty liver disease. So you could see that even at very low levels, glyphosate causes it. And then there was a study on people who had fatty liver disease. They had three groups, the severe cases, the more benign cases and the people, the controls who didn't have fatty liver disease. And they found statistically significant differences in the amount of glyphosate in the urine among the three groups, which was really quite remarkable, in my opinion, that you could show through the urinary test, the connection between, and it's correlation, obviously, that they didn't explain how it caused it, but I can explain how it causes it.

TalkToMeGuy: Of course they didn't. And I just, as an old, for the new people listening, I, years ago in the early 80s, had an herb store in a national miller to catalog. And so I'm always amazed when I talk to you how I think of many conditions that people have or imbalances, you know, like the liver is only like the organ that does so much for our bodies and breaking things down and making it happen, as well as our gut. And so far, glyphosate is kicking them both in the head hard. And so it explains why I, and back to also the collagen thing, I know that the technology has made it in vogue.

However, I think that what you're talking about with what's happened to the collagen is why there are so many hip and knee replacements. That's my opinion. Absolutely. That's just my opinion. That's all I'm saying.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: It is. It's my opinion as well. And I wrote about it in the book. And I think it may also be connected to the opioid drug crisis, because I think a lot of people are in pain. You have so much back pain and neck pain and, you know, lots of foot problems. I mean, people have some, you see all these people hobbling around these days. I feel like people expect, you know, as soon as you're 60 years old, you're going to just fall apart, you know, people almost expect it now, it seems like.

It's not true. You shouldn't have to, you know, you should still be very agile at the age of 80 or 90, I think. If all goes well, and you avoid all these toxic chemicals, but the glyphosate is a real killer for the joints and the bones. And then you get a lot of pain. And then you get stuck with opioid drug crisis, you know? I think the companies are despicable, but they're being blamed totally. And no one's saying, well, how come all these people are in so much pain?

No one's asking that question. You know, when they say, oh, these companies are so despicable because they gave people all these drugs and they got so hooked. But the people were in agony, they needed the drugs, you know, and that's what the companies actually argue. We're doing a service for these people. They can't stand living if they don't get these drugs, you know?

TalkToMeGuy: It's really, it really blows my mind. I have my grandmother live to be 106. Wow. Well, she was, this is, she died in the seven, in the seventies. And she had come across, she was old enough that she actually came across the United States in a wagon from Michigan to Salt Lake City. And the thing that always blows my mind that is a theme for me is that in those times when they grow their own food, my grandparents ate organically. They just ate that. They had no idea that like, oh, we eat organic. That's what they grew. They grew their own food. They fed their own pigs. They grew their own cows. They did everything. And she lived to be 106 and she was completely vital until she was 98 when she broke a hip because she fell cleaning the snow off her front step.

Speaker 5: Oh, wow.

TalkToMeGuy: But at that time, but at, but at no time until then had she ever had a health issue or a thing. She'd always worked. She worked in her up until her late 80s, still baking pies for the drink. I mean, it was, and I mean, she had a cafe, not just like baked pies, like hundreds of pies.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: And she was totally vital. That's a good example. And I think it's really kind of interesting to me. It feels like people very quickly adapt to the new normal. You know, when we see all these kids with autism, and of course ADHD and all the eczema and asthma, all these autoimmune diseases, you know, the celiac disease, all kinds of food intolerances, peniology, all these things. And somehow this generation of parents are comfortable with that.

Oh yeah. I mean, you know, my kids got asthma. Oh yeah, mine's got eczema. I mean, it's just like, oh, yes, of course, you've got something if you're a kid, right? You're just sick.

You get colds all the time. I mean, it's all normal now. It's just not normal. I know it's not normal when I was a kid. You know, in grade school, I remember in grade school, one child who was a year behind me that had a lung problem. She had asthma, you know? I don't remember any peniology. I don't remember any autism.

There was nothing. Everybody was healthy. So it's weird that we very quickly adapt to a new model for what's normal. And I think it's the same for the old people. I know when I go to the airport and I see all these people in wheelchairs or walkers or there, you can tell they're an agony as they're walking even without any support.

You know, so many people are just hobbling around. And it breaks my heart because I think we're all being poisoned by glyphosate. And this is happening to us and we're not noticing it. Why are we not noticing it? It's not the same as it was then, you know?

TalkToMeGuy: I always find it amazing when I, the few times I do go to doctors and I have a very smart, what I would call hippie doctor, but not really. I mean, she's fully degrade and went to swanky school. And I know that when the nurses do an intake, they're always, well, are you still on any of these medications? But because about 10 years ago, I was hospitalized for a while and I had some major just physical surgeries, not involving anything we're talking about. But the doctors are always amazed when I come in and I'm careening in on 70. I'm on no meds.

And that creates everybody in the office to like, oh my God, you're not, how is that possible? Are you lying? You must be on something. You're on nothing. I'm on nothing. That's my level of medication is nothing.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: That's awesome. Same for me, by the way.

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah, I just can't, I'm like you, I can't imagine it any other way. I'm not, I'm not interested in being on meds. And I also know that it is really surprising to me how many of my friends are in pain. I mean, I have some aches and pains when I do stuff that's dumb, but not like I have to be on a walker. I have two friends that one had a hip replacement and he's only in his early sixties and another friend who had bilateral knee replacements. And still is well.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: I talked about the statistics on those things in my book. I was quite shocked to see how, I mean, of course, one thing is they claim they're getting better at it.

And so they'll, you know, they make money off it. I mean, it's various pressures for doing more, right, that are happening right now, but the rates have gone up astronomically in things like hip replacement surgery and knee replacement surgery. I mean, many people are routinely getting these things now.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: It's just, now it's a thing.

TalkToMeGuy: It's like calling a part. Yeah, it's like cocktail conversation now. Oh yeah. You know, my husband had a hip replacement. He's great now. I'm like, right.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: It's amazing to me. I find it really interesting that people don't notice, you know, and also that people have so much faith. I mean, they've gotten used to the fact that you can just go down to their local garden store and buy some roundup and kill your dandelions, you know, and it being touted as being so safe. And people have a hard time wrapping their brain around the idea that this stuff is actually really toxic, you know. And it's dangerous because it's insidiously cumulatively toxic.

It doesn't blow you over. So you don't notice right away that you're being poisoned happens slowly. And that's part of the problem. And of course, it's all over the food supplies in the air.

You can't avoid it. So everyone's being poisoned, you know, to varying degrees, some worse than others. And then people, some people get horrendously sick and they have no clue why. And I think if they just got off that glyphosate, they'd find remarkable improvements in their health.

TalkToMeGuy: And I'm always amazed how there are a number of people that I see that use something like Roundup, the over the brand name, and they have the, oh, it's I'm not using that much. Right. That kind of thing.

I'm just killing the weeds in the driveway. And I'm like, how about you just to hold them out? How about you just scrape them out of place? Or how about they grow through the cracks? They're, you know, they're just plants.

So it really amazes me how people take that on. And I remember many years ago, I interviewed Dr. Marion Moses, an MD who wrote a book called designer poisons. And that was in the man in the 80s, maybe because I was doing radio then. And she was stunned to find that the amount of toxins, and this was in the 80s.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: So people were looking at it like they're now compared to now, but compared to now, but the amount of toxins at that time, the highest level of stuff getting dumped into the atmosphere or into the waterways, I'll say, but really

TalkToMeGuy: by nd

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: nd nd nd nd nd nd nd nd nd nd nd nd bacteria are actually able to metabolize glyphosate, which is pretty awesome. They have an awesome skill because not that many species can break it down.

So they have that huge advantage. They can break it down and they can turn it into useful nutrients into nitrogen and phosphorus nutrients that help to promote algae overgrowth. You get that the red tide, you know, the algae produce these toxins that can kill the door if it drinks the water. And the blue, green and the cyanobacteria. So they're the base of the food chain that causes complete dysphoria. And then the, the, the food that the manatees eat, you know, is picking up all that glyphosate and the manatees are being poisoned. It's really sad to see

TalkToMeGuy: in Florida, but it's very clear to me. Yeah. And isn't, is some of their, are they assimilating it through their skin as well, being in the waterways?

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Probably. That's a good point. They're probably absorbing it through the skin. You're absolutely right. Wow. Because they're giant soft skin.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: You can imagine them animals, you know. Yeah. I know. Yeah. They've got plenty of skin to be exposed to the glyphosate in the water. And they even use glyphosate in the waterways to control weeds and invasive weeds in the waterways they're using glyphosate. And the logic is the glyphosate's, you know, far less toxic than the other chemicals. So let's use glyphosate. It's, you know, it's the preferred option because they don't realize it's so toxic.

The same thing. There's, I wrote about this, I think in my book about Anne, Anne and Cephalie in Washington state at the, there's this three river system where there's irrigation farms and whatnot. And they were having trouble with invasive weeds. It was another problem with sort of invasive weeds taking over the waterways. And they thought, well, let's use glyphosate because that's the safest chemical. And they use glyphosate.

There were a couple of years, 2012, I think it was like 2012, 2013, when they used lots of glyphosate in the waterways to control these invasive weeds. And they started seeing babies being born without a brain. That was called Anne and Cephalie. Among the mothers in that area over those two years. And Don Huber picked up on that and, and wrote about it, but it seems very clear to me that glyphosate was the major player in that Anne and Cephalie. Wow.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, and I was going to save this for later, but I have to say it now. Glyphosate really seems to be a foundational thing to me that in the long run makes us immunosuppressed and makes our own immune system not function as well as it does compared to my 160 year old grandmother.

Yes. Because it's just a, it's just a thing that just digs away at so many things. And along with the collagen, it's just like blows my mind that it's, it's just an okay thing to use. Right.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: I mean, the collagen is really important because those collagen like stalks on those unions, these, these proteins that are made by the immune system cells that trap the viruses, they're like a vacuum cleaner or like tar paper, you know, they trap the viruses so that you can clear them. Otherwise, it's really hard to catch them. And so they're able to invade the cells and grow. And, and glyphosate, I think it's disrupting those critical proteins in the innate immune system. It's also wrecking the mitochondria have a lot about the mitochondria in my book and multiple ways in which glyphosate disrupts, of course, I mentioned the PEPCK, but also the succinate dehydrogenase. And there's other enzymes like glucose, six phosphate dehydrogenase, these are all really important enzymes to keep the mitochondria happy. Glutathione gets all messed up, it gets oxidized and reduced in the amount. This is shown in studies and it's also clear to explain through the mechanisms, the biological mechanisms of glyphosate.

It all fits together very nicely. Mitochondrial dysfunction is of course linked to all kinds of diseases, many, many debilitating diseases, including autism and Alzheimer's. And those diseases are going up in, in prevalence exactly in separate the rise in glyphosate usage on core crops.

So the whole puzzle fits together very, very nicely. I think it's so obvious that I don't understand why everybody doesn't see it, you know, I feel like people should just wake up, have an aha moment and say, okay, I'm not using that stuff anymore. And of course, we became fanatical as soon as I started to realize how bad this stuff was.

And that was back in 2012. You know, we had been kind of, oh, the cereal runs out, we placed it with organic type of thing. And eventually we got to where, oh, we can't eat this stuff, let's just throw it all away. So whatever was left just got purged, you know, into the trash can and you think, oh, not organic, gone. We started over with our kitchen at one point after a few months because it's like this stuff is too toxic to even finish up what we've already got. We can't in good conscience eat this stuff, you know.

So we've become fanatical about only purchasing certified organic. And I think that's a huge thing to help just that simple step will you have, you'll see amazing results. And both my husband and I have seen, you know, problems and they were minor problems, but they went away. Problems that we had, I used to get urinary tract infections, I don't anymore, ever, you know, wow, that's amazing.

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah. And I want to jump back to cannabis for a minute and the vaping, because I've gotten into, we'll call them heated discussions with people who like to vape. And I've tried to educate them about the, your idea of the biofuel issue. And I sort of use that at the gateway, like, let's talk about biofuels.

Now, what's in your vaping pen? And they just, it's kind of like the people who, it's very similar to the people that, like, I'm only using a little bit of Roundup.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Right.

TalkToMeGuy: And they have that same thing. People think, how harmful could it be? Right. How harmful could it be? And the idea of, oh, no, I guess they're vaping hard. You know, and whether it's tobacco or cannabis, I don't care, it's the same thing.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Right. Absolutely. The glycerol is going to be there for the cannabis as well. And I would say no, don't do it. Absolutely.

TalkToMeGuy: See, I try to say that, but it comes out harsher. Because it's just like, I can't believe, because most of these, a lot of these people that I talk to are people who are air quotes conscious in other things and what they're doing and they want to support the planet.

And I'm just, not only is there a bunch of, who bad word almost came out, stuff that's a byproduct of vaping, meaning the batteries that don't get recycled and the casings that don't get recycled, right?

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Right. Right. Right. Right. All that. Right.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: All that. Adding to waste. But they're also consuming a product that is toxic in my view. Right. Absolutely.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: I think it's an extremely dangerous time of COVID because it's going to really up the ante on your COVID. When you get COVID, you're going to be in bad shape. And you know, it's very interesting with the air pollution because I was looking into it and there are, I've actually been several studies, a Harvard group did a study in the United States looking at nanoparticles in the air. And apparently there's data on that, which makes it easier. It's the county level. So they looked at the county level across the country at the nanoparticle levels in the air, correlated with a death rate from COVID across the country. And they found a statistically significant correlation and they published a paper on that, if Harvard group.

And then in Europe, I found three other papers from various parts of Europe, where they also show the same thing. Air pollution seemed to be tied to bad outcomes, you know, higher death rate from COVID. So then I looked at the, over the whole world to say, okay, which countries have, you have, you can get data on the nanoparticles, you know, the level of the problems the country has with air pollution versus the COVID-19 death rate.

And so I got a number of different data points from across the world in that. And when you plot it, it doesn't look at all right. It looks completely wrong.

Like the countries that have the worst air pollution have the lowest death rates from COVID. It's completely backwards. And you're like, what the hell, you know, what is going on here?

So confused. And so as you look and you see which countries have the really bad air pollution, those are countries that are quite, you know, like the African, they're using small farms, you know, they don't have a lot of glyphosate, they have natural small family farms. So the people are eating basically organic whole foods and not eating processed foods.

So they're getting a healthy diet. And, and the air pollution doesn't have the glyphosate in it. That's what I'm suspecting, that the air pollution with glyphosate is extremely toxic air pollution without glyphosate.

It has toxicity, but not connected to COVID-19. So the countries that have very high air pollution have very low glyphosate and very low death from rate from COVID. And the numbers are extraordinarily big because I looked at Nigeria, I got interested in Africa, because Africa is practically immune to COVID except for South Africa, which I'm sure you've been hearing about. The rest of Africa, you know, all the the heartland of Africa is practically immune to COVID, very low death rates.

And, you know, these are people with crowding in the cities and poverty and all this stuff, and it doesn't seem to matter. They're not catching COVID. They're not dying from it. And, and I think the difference is the, is the, is the glyphosate because these countries use very little glyphosate compared to us. South Africa is an exception. They've been long and deep into with Monsanto, with the GMO maze, you know, they have lots of glyphosate in South Africa, but the rest of the continent does not. And South Africa is the only country in the continent to Nenthans having trouble controlling COVID. And whereas you look at Brazil, completely out of control, the United States out of control, Europe, all of Europe is just going crazy with COVID. These are places that develop biofuels and are using them in the cities and that have lots of glyphosate.

I think that air pollution, glyphosate biofuels is all connected to a bad outcome from COVID. It's quite striking. In Nigeria, when I looked at Nigeria and I even said, well, let's just assume everybody who died was over 65 because I knew that Nigeria has a lot of, they have a high reproduction rate. They're, their women have a lot of kids, so they have a much lower average life, average age than we do. So it's not fair, you know, to compare apples and oranges.

So, but if you just say if everybody was over 65, normalized for the over 65 population in Nigeria versus the United States and looking at the death rate, and you find that for every one person who dies in Nigeria, 100 people die in the United States. It's not like a small factor. It's a hundredfold. It's quite amazing.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, I think it's backstage before the show started. We were talking about a conference that I go to every year when it starts again called Bioneers. And a lot of times there are people that are coming there to talk about how to purify a million gallons of water a day for a nickel. I they're trying to do that or they're trying to come up with alternative ways of growing. And a lot of, and a number of times we'll have people, speakers that are working with African countries or we'll get back to biochar in a minute. But a lot of the times there is that observation of the rich countries like the United States, let's say, seem to have elevated levels. But these people again, back to my grandmother, are eating organically because they can't afford not to in the sense of they can't afford to have all the chemicals and pesticides and chemical fertilizers because they can't afford that. So they're growing organic food because they have to. And because of that, they're healthier, they're more vital, they're not having the kinds of conditions that are going on.

And we've had some of those conversations, sort of an aside conversation of like, do you think that is contributing to it? And so what you're saying is really, wow, Brazil, bad biofuels, biofuels.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Yeah, they're very big on biofuels in Brazil. And they do it from sugarcane. Like they make bioethanol from sugarcane. It's bioethanol, I think, that can run, the trucks can run on like 70% bioethanol. And the bioethanol comes from sugarcane and sugarcane is sprayed right before the harvest with glyphosate.

TalkToMeGuy: Right. Another person that I've heard lecture is David Bloom, who wrote a book called Alcohol is a Gas. And he produces, now he's in California, and he's a permaculture instructor and grower of things. He has five greenhouses that are acre each, and he produces, you know, some of the most beautiful, actually Hawaiian turmeric that you could possibly imagine.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Oh, that's wonderful. That's such good stuff that I'll tell you these herbs and spices are so wonderful.

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah, his turmeric is, I have a friend ship me some from Watsonville, and it is just, I like sometimes to just roughly scrub it and then poach it and just sort of have it as a side dish because it's just delicious.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: And it's, oh, I never thought of doing that. It's really, it's such a rich dye, you know, it colors everything red, right?

TalkToMeGuy: Yes, exactly. Yeah, guys here who sell it.

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah. And one of the things that he does is he takes all the byproduct, all the waste from his farm and produces his own ethanol.

TalkToMeGuy: He's a man, he, and he, he's worked with other manufacturers and other countries where they're using his system, basically, you know, very fancy, and I mean that in a good way,

TalkToMeGuy: large systems using bio digesters to take these plant food, these carbohydrates and converted the fuel and then he purifies that. Now he ran his truck for over 250,000 miles on that kind of fuel and you can adjust the standard engine with a little bit of timing and some other tricks, but you don't have to rebuild it. You can run it on 100% ethanol and he did that.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Oh, that's interesting. I thought it took a complete redesign.

TalkToMeGuy: No, and so he did that, he ran his truck for 200,000 miles and the engine lasted casually that well because there's less pollution to the actual engine.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: It could be that the glyphosate is actually wrecking the engine. I would not be surprised. I'm only thinking of that just now, but you know, when you use organic biofuel, maybe the engine lasts a lot longer, I would not be surprised.

Yeah, yeah. Because glyphosate, you know, it deals with metals and stuff. It strips metals from pipes. I mean, I would think it could kind of do a number on the engine, I would imagine, but I don't know. Yes. That's totally, that's total speculation.

TalkToMeGuy: That's a good speculation though. I'll talk about that sometime because I think that's an interesting speculation because I'm trying to get him to, he's out there in the world, he's more the process of using the digesters than that. He's actually doing better with companies out of the United States who are more receptive to this idea. I know he did a project in Dubai where they had huge date farms and the date that didn't get sold, he was showing them how they could take that and turn that into biofuel.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Yeah. And so at least he leaves. I think the concept of turning food waste into biofuel is a good one because it's a shame to waste food. Might as well, you know, nature always finds a way to use all the waste and bring it back around again.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Right? That's one thing we learned to do. But the problem is if you're going to poison your food with glyphosate, then your fuel becomes toxic too. So that's why you've got to keep the glyphosate out of the system entirely out to make it all work. Now we're making all these biofuels off of toxic waste. And if it were not, if glyphosate weren't used on the crops, then I think it would be smart to do biofuels. But with the glyphosate, it's really causing a lot of trouble. It's really hazardous. Yes. And same thing with cow manure. You know, cow manure is very valuable for helping fertilize crops. Yes.

Yeah. But the stuff that comes out of the cows in the K-Fo farms, it's just hopeless. It's just toxic, you know, because of all the chemicals in it, especially the glyphosate.

So that's really a shame too. We don't realize that when we use these toxic chemicals on our crops, they spread around in so many different places and cause everything else to be ruined, you know?

TalkToMeGuy: A little alone in the terms of when I think about cattle, because I live in an area where there's a lot of grass, if I had grass finished, beef wandering the hills. Awesome. We're just walking around eating grass. What a radical idea. Right. I know. Yeah.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Oh, I can totally get into that.

TalkToMeGuy: And so it blows my mind again when I see commercial farms where, well, I'll just say Harris Ranch on I-5 going down to Southern California is a huge farm factory of cows. And people think it's like, you know, it's a big deal. It has a restaurant, all these things that I'm thinking, you really are going to stop there to have a glyphosate burger? Wow.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Right. I just, I can't do it. But as you say, people don't understand. Again, farmers in Africa who do have cows

TalkToMeGuy: can take that manure and use it on their crops and it's okay because they don't have glyphosate, because they can't afford it.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Exactly. How great is that? They can't afford it. And the other thing is, you know, they say the cows produce methane and methane is in greenhouse gas and that's so bad.

Yes. Therefore, they don't have cows. But the fact is when the cows eat the grass, I think the methane is a consequence of the glyphosate. And because glyphosate disrupts the enzymes, it's really actually fascinating in the gut, you know, and we have a whole lot of trouble with bloating, you know, these days where people have gas issues in the gut. And that's because the enzymes that take, so the gut actually has a very interesting system where they produce these gases. They start with hydrogen gas and then they make methane from the hydrogen gas. And then the methane gets turned back into organic matter like methanol, you know, formate and all these different derivatives of the methane eventually become nutrients that feed the human host. The bacteria are doing all of this, you know, they're bringing the methane back into organic matter.

If those enzymes are broken, which they are by glyphosate, then the gas builds up and you get hydrogen sulfide gas, hydrogen gas, methane, all those gases, we have trouble with bloating from those same gases and the cows are getting the same problem because they're eating the glyphosate. So the ones that are eating the grass, they don't have that problem. And furthermore, they provide the manure that helps the grass grow. So the grass actually does better when it's got cows grazing on it than it does without. And we can't eat the grass. So any grass we turn into cow is food we would not otherwise have, right?

Right. People say, don't eat meat, you know, it's bad for the environment. That's not true.

I don't think that's true at all. If you're eating grass-fed beef, I think it's a healthy choice for the environment, for yourself as well, but for the environment as well.

TalkToMeGuy: There's actually a great book called Cows Save the Planet. I love that title. The author and I are juggling trying to do a show about that very thing where they look at the effects of ruminant animals like cows wandering around improving the soil. Because they're having the whole system. It's actually a system. It's a shocking thing. It's actually a system where the cows wander around.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Because the plants have been used to having animals in the past grazing on them. So that should be part of the whole, what makes ecology work. And premise is go back to a natural system in all respects and get rid of those toxic chemicals. None of those chemicals are natural, any of them.

TalkToMeGuy: They don't fit anywhere. They don't fit into the, well, the food pyramid is a whole other show. But let's pretend it's in the food pyramid. None of that is in the food pyramid.

They just, I don't know what they do. I want to jump for a moment to ask you, did I hear you in researching, I always listen and read, so I'm not sure where I got this. Did I hear you talk about biochar, absorbing glyphosate or neutralizing it or locking it up in some way?

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Yeah, maybe. I'm a little, I know biochar is really, really useful in restoring soil. I did talk about the folvic acid and hemic acid. I wrote about that in my book because that's quite fascinating. Fulvic acid is this complex carbohydrate structure that's in the soil. And the folvic acid is interesting because it traps enzymes in the folvic acid. And so I'm suspecting, and again, this hasn't been proven in speculation, that the folvic acid contains these enzymes trapped in it that are very versatile. And I read about this in papers that these enzymes are very versatile to be able to break down enzomatically a large number of toxic chemicals. And so it's possible that glyphosate is among that list.

So all of this is kind of conjecture. It's just that these enzymes are very, very capable of breaking down toxic chemicals in general. And so it's possible that those enzymes in the folvic acid are able to break down glyphosate. The other one is acetylbacter, which is in fermented foods. And I really am a big fan of fermented foods, sauerkraut, apple cider, vinegar, you know, kimchi, kombucha, all those fermented foods. Because, and of course, there's the microbes in them that can help to keep your gut microbiome happy. But more than that, if those microbes can break down glyphosate, so I sort of am a big fan of apple cider vinegar, like to have a salad with use apple cider vinegar, organic on your salad dressing and then eat the salad. And now you've got that, those acetylbacter in your mouth and in your throat. And then when you eat, if you do have glyphosate in your food, they can break it down before it even gets to your stomach. This is a hypothetical, again, it hasn't been shown in practice, but makes sense to me, because acetylbacter are, there are species of acetylbacter that are able to break down glyphosate. Glyphosate has a very difficult CP bond that most species don't know what to do with, which is why, you know, they argue, Manzato argues that it basically comes through, your system goes out through your urine, it's all gone, and it gets converted to amper, which still has that CP bond.

But other than that, it doesn't really go anywhere. And then the amper and the glyphosate go out through your feces, through your urine, you're all set. They're lying, because their own studies have shown that it accumulates in the tissues. They say it all goes away, but it's not true, it accumulates in the tissues. And that's a form of protein, I suspect, tied up in protein, because of this problem of substituting for glycine.

TalkToMeGuy: And I will too plant the flag in the ground of all things fermented. I'm a big fan of everything that you named.

Speaker 5: I'll have kimchi with breakfast, I don't care, I'll have kimchi anytime.

TalkToMeGuy: Anywhere, any meal, just hand me sauerkraut or kimchi, I'm happy. I love it.

Speaker 5: There you go.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: It's very tasty. I mean, it certainly has a unique flavor.

TalkToMeGuy: And the benefits. Now I can really... And do you think that we can... We both agree we should get rid of glyphosate. Until then, until we can... Because it's going to take a while, once we ever do stop using it in this country, eventually it seems like we've got to figure it out, other countries. In the interim, I'm kind of jumping to what chapter is that? There's a chapter... Oh, chapter 11, reboot today for a healthy tomorrow.

Because we're sort of careening toward the end of the show, which I'm shocked. Can we, until we get to reboot after glyphosate goes away, do you think we can at least help ourselves besides fermented foods? And of course, your friend Sunshine and cholesterol sulfate and all of that. Can we keep our immune system healthy enough and vital enough to at least kind of ward some of the deleterious effects of glyphosate?

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: I would think so. I mean, certainly I try everything. I'm a great fan of the sun and I just think it's really such a simple thing to get outside. I think people should try to be outside as much as they can.

In today's world, most of what you do is indoors. So you have to make an effort to go outside and make sure to get that healthy, full spectrum sun exposure. And your eyes, don't wear sunglasses. I never wear sunglasses. And I'm 73 years old and my eyes are fine. I don't have cataracts. I don't have retina problems.

My eyes are fine, which I think is quite remarkable given that I've never used sunglasses because people think, oh, we got to protect the eyes of the sunglasses. It's the wrong way to go. But of course, the glyphosate actually goes into the eyes. Anthony Sampsel, he's a friend of mine and we've collaborated and he's an interesting guy, but he's gotten a hold of a lot of documents from Monsanto that were their own early studies on glyphosate. And he's seen that they've observed that it goes into the eyes and causes trouble there. So I suspect that glyphosate exposure and glyphosate also messes up the skin because the melanin, the skin tanning agent, comes out of that chikamate pathway. We didn't talk about this, but many different vital molecules in biology come out of that pathway that glyphosate blocks in the gut microbes. So people end up with deficiencies in critical things.

And one of them is melanin. I have a lot of people say to me, oh, I can't get out in this fan. I just, I never tan. I just, I just burn. You know, my skin is white. I get red.

And, you know, and then I, it's clear that I'm being overexposed. I don't have to get out of the sun because I don't tan. And I think that means I don't have enough melanin in my skin. And this melanin is a product of the pathway that glyphosate blocks. You can imagine that it would be deficient. So I think the glyphosate is, and of course, glyphosate also causes mitochondrial damage in the, in the eyes.

It's going to cause inflammation, which is going to damage the retina. So I suspect that the reason why, you know, and sunscreen use has just gone up tremendously over the past three decades tremendously. And we're so obsessed with making sure we, we slobber ourselves with sunscreen. And that's also probably connected to glyphosate. Just that people are more aware that the sun is causing damage because it is causing damage because glyphosate is disrupting the enzymes, all the, all the mechanisms that the body has to protect this, the, the body from sunlight, because, you know, sunlight is a gift, really a very big gift of energy source that plants use very effectively to turn, you know, carbon dioxide into, into biomass. And animals use the sun, I think, for mobility and for thinking for the brain. The neurons and the muscle cells take a tremendous amount of energy. And they can really, the animals can afford to use that kind of energy because they get exposure to the sun. And so when we avoid the sun, we're really disturbing the mitochondrial energy supply that's going to cause all kinds of troubles, you know, things like chronic fatigue syndrome and various neurological diseases like autism and Alzheimer's.

So I think very, very important for all of, for the whole body health to get sun exposure to the eyes and to the skin. Well, and I'm not unlike yourself.

TalkToMeGuy: I have never had anything done to my eyes, no cataract surgery, which I think is sort of the hip replacement of, you know, now also because everybody's having cataract surgery, they're like, oh, I can't believe it.

And I'm like, why? I, you know, I, it's amazing how we come up, we're fixing things that if we fix the main thing, which is polluting our atmosphere and stopping with a glyphosate, we might not have to fix all these things.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: What a radical idea. That's what I think for sure. Yeah, it's really interesting how we put up with it. And we just go along with the, you know, oh, yeah, of course, oh, yeah, I had cataract surgery, of course, you know, it's just like everyone does.

It's just the normal thing to do now. And so it becomes normalized. And of course, autism too, I think becomes normalized. Now, they're saying autism is sort of another way to be normal. You know, the kid can't speak, but that's not really a problem, you know, I mean, hello, there's special, there's special, there's something.

TalkToMeGuy: And I'm not ditching in any way autistic kids. That's not, it's not their fault, but it's like, they're trying to normalize this thing that is not.

Speaker 5: Right. Yeah. And I just think that's messed up.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: How we can do that. Yeah. And even ADHD, you know, which is now total epidemic, I think something like 12% of the kids. Yeah. Yeah, it's really sad. Yeah.

TalkToMeGuy: I wish we'd all take diet classes, but like, you know, how to eat clean food. Let's just start out.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: I know. And it's so simple, really. And I do think people should value time in the kitchen more. I think people are so hung up on efficiency, right? They don't want to waste time cooking. So they just buy processed foods to stick it in the oven.

You know, something very easy. They're, people should really honor the kitchen and spend more time cooking and go back to whole foods and, you know, from scratch and all that kind of thing.

TalkToMeGuy: Just don't eat anything out of a box.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Right.

TalkToMeGuy Let's start there. Let's just shop the perimeter of the store.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Right.

TalkToMeGuy: That's really kind of the deal. Just avoid the middle. Just go around the edges. You'll be fine.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: And you know, you're doing this to keep yourself safe from COVID. This is something that I really wish the government would emphasize that people need to eat well in order to protect themselves from COVID, you know?

TalkToMeGuy: I look forward to your next book on that.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Yeah. I hope we all have the energy to write something like that. It would be quite a show.

TalkToMeGuy: It would be quite a thing. I'd be happy to talk about that. There was the, in the way backstage, I did cook professionally for 20 years on and off in between other jobs, other lives.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Oh, wow. Wow.

TalkToMeGuy: That's great. And so I just think it's, I just don't understand the go out and get something in a box and heat it. Like, right. Like the infamous macaroni and cheese in a box.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Right.

TalkToMeGuy: You know, macaroni and cheese can be, macaroni and cheese can be such a delicious thing, but you can make it with a good, clean grain and the same thing cheeses. And it's like mind-blowingly wonderful. Right.

TalkToMeGuy: But you don't get it out of a box and teach the kids how to nuke it when they're children. That's just, again, my opinion, I can get surly.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: And it is true that kids today aren't even being taught how to cook. So they feel like it's kind of a foreign thing, right? So they really don't know how to do it, even though it's not really that hard. But it's, it can be a hurdle, I think, when they'd never get practiced with it as a child.

TalkToMeGuy: They have no exposure to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I won't. I was going to get, well, I'll say this briefly. There's also this trend with the, because I live north of the Silicon Valley, it's a very big trend to have these things like Blue Box or these other services where they pre-back all your food. It's raw. So if you're making a recipe that has too close to garlic, that's all that's in the box.

TalkToMeGuy : But you get a meal for four.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Right.

TalkToMeGuy: It's pre-raw. You know, everything's raw and you do have to cook it. But it's, there's so much, I have so many bad words about this because it irritates me so much. There's so much plastic in the packaging.

Oh, yeah. None of it's recyclable. It's just another thing of, oh, we need more waste. Like really, what plastic waste? Are you kidding me? But the idea is that you can't go to the store and actually purchase your food because you're much too busy being important, I guess.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Right. Even the whole, even the thing of putting each bag, each lettuce in a plastic bag, you know, we don't, we somehow, I've gotten, you see, I mean, you can't just put the food out there and just pick up a bit ahead of lettuce with no bad plastic bag around it.

TalkToMeGuy: You would think, you don't need that plastic bag. No, it has to be completely wrapped.

TalkToMeGuy: It has to be, no, no, those lemons need to be wrapped in plastic. Those limes need to be, like they don't have a skin that protects them. Okay. I'm surprised to say that we're there, where I have to ask you.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: We had a lovely conversation.

TalkToMeGuy: It was a great conversation. Very fast. Yeah, very fast. Where can people find out more about you and your work? And where should they look for toxic legacy?

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: So I have a web page, a personal web page, definitely, senate.net. And under that web page, you have flash book where you can find pointers to various booksellers that sell my book. You can also just type, type toxic legacy. If you can remember toxic legacy, type it into a Google search engine and the Amazon link will come right up. So toxic legacy, how the killer life is destroying our health and the environment.

That's the name of my book. And yeah, I have an MIT web page where I have a ton of information, all kinds of side shows and interviews and whatnot, papers, all the papers, most of the papers that I've published.

TalkToMeGuy: Yes, I put that link in chat with a warning, this is really for the hard nerd crowd.

TalkToMeGuy: There's an amazing amount of references there. It is very dirty looking web page. It's like a kind of late page. I like, at night, sit up and watch, read like, wow, that's amazing. Look at this one. There's wonderful research available at that page. Yeah, but if that's for the casual viewer, yes, I will. Thank you. All right. Well, thank you so much. That was, and I also put a link for the wonderful article about the manatees.

TalkToMeGuy: Come on.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Oh, great. Wonderful.

TalkToMeGuy: Please. Let's, you know, there's a giant example of a wonderful creature being, you know, in its life being destroyed because we just can't figure it out. It blows my mind.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: It is so sad, isn't it? Because they're very special and it's just a shame that we're destroying them. Yeah. All right.

TalkToMeGuy: Thank you. On that note. Yes, exactly. I got no up note here. That was wonderful. It went faster than I thought it would. Thank you. Everybody have a great rest of the weekend. Bye.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff: Bye.