Immune Preparedness & Well-Being •• Part 2 ••

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If you would like to leave me a voice message with a question for a guest or a guest idea for a show, you can do that directly from the site and I will be notified. With that, Jack Tips is a board certified naturopathic physician, a PhD in Nutrition Science, and the author of 16 books, including the foundational work to provide a plan for optimal nutrition. He lectures at naturopathic and chiropractic colleges worldwide, serves on the advisory board of the International and American Associations of Clinical Nutritionists, and maintains a clinical practice built on three pillars, classical homeopathy, systemic herbology, and clinical nutrition.

What really drives Jack's work is something deeper. He speaks of natural health practitioners as those who march to a different drummer, often applying scientific insights decades before they were embraced by mainstream medicine. His approach weaves together diet, herbs, exercise, rest, and the skilled touch of natural health practice into what he calls the mosaic of natural health training. And through it all, there's a golden thread that guides everything. What helps the body function in optimal health? It's a question of both head and heart, where science meets wisdom and grace shows the way. Welcome, Jack.

Jack Tips, ND, PhD: Holy cow, Richard. Sounds like I've really been busy. It's so great. It's so great. And that whatever he says back to the host, it's just great to be here. And it genuinely, genuinely is. So anyway, after our mishaps of last week and the phone drops, I hope we have smooth sailing charted for today.

TalkToMeGuy: Exactly. So this is really, and I want to be clear with the audience that I have in all the promotional materials. This is part two. The show from last week ended up with technical difficulties and Jack's phone line went down. And so I trimmed that up and I made it a tight little package. Today, I'd like us to start where we fell apart, so to speak, is I want to get to the genus epidemicus category of supporting our immune systems in helping our immune systems in trying to work with nature and our own system.

I'll open it this way. Hanuman's concept of observing an epidemic symptom pattern and matching it to a remedy. How do homie paths identify what the remedy is for something like Omicron? What does that observation process look like? All right.

Jack Tips, ND, PhD: Yeah, so we're going to talk about two fancy word concepts. One is the genus epidemicus. You can kind of sound that out that genus is like genus and species and epidemicus means epidemic. So early 200 years ago, almost 250, homopathic physicians, highly, highly esteemed post grad, the smartest physicians were homie paths. And of course, there was a lot of debate and a lot of turmoil going on about that. But what they started doing was comparing notes. And as global communication got better, they would start saying, okay, there's a cholera epidemic in Romania and the Romanian homeopath says, I've been checking this out and 80% of the people are recovering nicely from a certain remedy. And he would let everybody know. And then cholera would show up in London and they would apply that remedy and go, you know, it's here.

It's only working 60% of the time. We're finding that this other remedy genus epidemicus. Now cholera was a devastating disease. It could wipe out literally regions of people and a horrible disease. And so the homeopath started seeing very clearly and we even have a historical record where on one side of the cholera infected river, the alipaths, the drug doctors were only maybe batting like 16% cure rate.

And on the other side of the river, the homeopaths were batting 80 85% cure rate. And so that's where the tension and the competition starts. And so we have these historic documents.

Some come from the Napoleonic Wars. And, but it was homeopaths talking about building their repertory of being able to help people. So regarding epidemics and now we talk more globally we talk about pandemics. We, it's basically a hobnobbing of great physicians that that present. They say here in we had this happen in COVID, where the East Indian doctors would say, we're observing these symptoms. And then they would talk about the likelihood of cytokine storms and things like tremendous anxiety with the illness. And they would say I started treating people with the remedy or cynicum album. And then another homeopath would write yes, me too. And so they would put forth in fact in India, they put it forth so convincingly so scientifically so medically backed that the Indian government actually recommended taking our cynicum album as the genus epidemic and the endemicus remedy and preventative because with massive population and not everybody being able to make it to the bias favored practice of modern medicine.

And they thought, well, at least that would do some good. And so now you have statistics generated that they said that's the best of the best in another area of the world. The doctor, let's say in an Australia, they would say, our cynicum is good, but I'm getting better results with camphora, a remedy that might have more deep chills and shivers and things. And they say, I'm getting a little bit better here. And what they started logging was that it's a little bit different variations of the strains. And but what they're trying to do is simply go to bat and say if you're caught in an epidemic or a pandemic and you have 300 people crowding outside your homeopathic clinic door. And how do you see they all need immediate help there? They, you know, we're talking everybody to the head of the triage line. And so what they could do then is go into the masses and quickly within an hour administer everyone the genus epidemic us for those that didn't turn it around fairly quickly.

They could come back and have their case taken. So it's really a mass need that that arose when homeopathy was sort of in its heyday of being a leading therapy up until, I believe, about 1910 1920 in this country. It also was very esteemed here in the United States with more than 11 homeopathic hospitals and many physicians choosing after their medical MD training to go into postgraduate homeopathy practice. So a genus epidemic us we're going to take that word epidemic and just say, okay, it's the best remedy that we know right now generally available provided the symptoms fit it. So you can get that out to the masses and everybody who has a little homeopathic kit at home.

They could take our cynicum album, preventatively, or at the first onset or known exposure, you know, it might be Belladonna, it might be bryonia, it might be came for a but they'll have the data, and they have the kit. And they're able to treat themselves and stay out of trouble. Then you don't have that massive onslaught we had where you have doctors and nurses bless their hearts working 36 hour shifts and massive appearances of very, very ill people flooding the hospitals because you know, I'll just make it clear is my opinion. Homeopathy is vastly superior. Brand of medicine for the human organism. So that's what the genus epidemic is, and I said there's going to be another word. Homeopropyl axis, we can think of the word propyl axis, meaning preventative. The word kind of spills over toward condoms which is preventing pregnancy but in propyl axis, we're looking at what can I do to prevent, let's say the winter flu, or are the latest coven. And so the pharmacies would provide to homeopaths, the preventative or what came through homeopathy was using the remedy to prepare the immune system to meet up with the offender, whether it's the winter flu, or coven.

And so that's what we did. There's homeopropyl axis available to people where they can be healthy and happy even if they run into the virus, because their first responder, their their humoral immune system is armed and ready, it's looking looking it's vigilant. And so that then it can respond even before the secondary acquired immune system would either have antibodies and go, you know, King's axe you're protected you have antibodies, or have to get sick and develop the antibodies so again, we could turn to homeopathy saying that it's the first responder. Nip it in the bud.

It's like when the kitchen fire starts in the apartment house you grab the fire extinguisher and put it out, then even set the alarm off versus the great heroic efforts of having to call the fire department and have, you know, shoots and ladders and you know trampoline set up and, you know, trying to salvage helicopters coming to the roof and, and all of that which would could be akin to the, you know, let's have antibodies. So let's see Richard if that's if that's crystal clear. The kind of answer that if it if I explained it to you I know your audience is right there with you.

TalkToMeGuy: I think it's good I'm going to expand upon it. A little bit by asking, I've read or heard you talk about homeopathy is a true immune modulator, rather than a stimulant versus suppressant. What's the difference and why does that matter for how the body responds.

Jack Tips, ND, PhD: All right, let's start with the Western medicine model. If we realize that a person has an overexcited immune system, they could have allergies, food sensitivities, or worse they could have an autoimmune disease or cytokine storms, where the immune system just goes way over the top. You could think it can be it's life threatening, right? A person can have a fever, but not just a little fever, but 107 and 108 brain fry.

So the immune system has the capability of going too far. And it was not modulated. It didn't have the checks and balances that the human being should have, which is your first responder talks to your second responder. If needed, your second responder system gets those all the white blood cells going and then we'll develop memory because it was life threatening and it wants memory to not ever have a disease.

And then you'll have it happen again. And so the modern, you say medicine idea. And this is what every drug commercial on TV is pitching. It's let's suppress the heck out of your immune system.

Let's put it in a straight jacket. And you'll not have the inner leucons that that manifest as psoriasis. So now you can look good in the bikini that straight jacket though, then you start hearing the risks. Oh, you might get tuberculosis. You could go into cancer.

Your ears could drop off. And and we hear all of them. We kind of make jokes. Haha. That's for other people. That's not for me.

I'll risk it. But what people don't realize is they're just suppressing their immune system and there's deep laws of human health that say anytime you suppress or repress the system is something's going to break out elsewhere. I mean, just look at society.

If you oppress a population, a segment of a population, you're going to have problems someday when oppressed people can rise up and fight the injustice. It's a yen for young. It's a, you know, the harder they come, the harder they fall situation. So that's what we're engaged in with the medical model because but your question is on immune modulation. So we're looking at immune systems that didn't modulate, didn't have checks and balances. So the drugs come in and suppress when we're talking about remedies supporting immune modulation.

And this is good for herbs and nutrients too. I don't know if you remember, Richard, but when COVID broke out, there was several teams of doctors that made fun of anyone that could say we can strengthen your immune system. We can boost your immune system and they would come back and go, Oh, no, if you boost the immune system, you're going to boost making more cytokines and you're going to make people die.

And of course, that that's not the way nature works. What we're boosting is modulation. We're boosting the strength of a balanced immune system on the other side of overactive immunity is suppressed or underactive immunity. So now you have a child catches the measles, their system has no resources to deal with it and they get very, very sick. You know, they can go into pneumonia, they can die.

We know in clinical nutrition that all you really need is vitamin A and have adequate nutrition and adequate vitamin A and to some small extent, we'll say genetics. And you can do just fine like humanity has done for millions of years, you can do just fine. Make in peace with the herpetic and which is chickenpox and the tight measles viruses which end up strengthening the immune system and imparting better health on many, many levels.

So that's the old idea where parents would have measles parties or chickenpox parties and expose their kids so they could get natural immunity, which by all by any stretch of imagination is far superior than to artificial created immunity. So anyway, I'm getting a little long winded Richard here. I don't want to put people to sleep. I'll just say we can have our immune system too low. We can have our immune system too high. What we need is to modulate it. So it can immediately act on that COVID, but it doesn't overact and we don't want it to underact and have people get deathly ill. We want it in the middle, the happy balance like we talk about all the time and all things. We want that happy balance where it modulates, meaning the immune system says, okay, I'm going to go in and kick butt.

But I'm going to turn it off at the right time. And then I'm going to engage what's called the remedial side of the immune system, which it has to repair the collateral damage. So the army marches in, kills all the bad guys, it does some damage. And then the body has certain molecules.

They're called resolvents, protectants and marines. They come from EPA, which is a omega three and DHA another omega three and it will harness those and do the repair. So you have fever, you have damage, you get well, and then your body goes into repair. That's good immune modulation. The fever is good to a level.

And it does its job. It speeds up the immune cloning. It hastens the circulation to get the immune system to the site of inflammation and infection. It employs beneficial inflammation, which causes collateral damage. It uses free radicals to kill the bad guys. And then it shuts off. And then it comes back with the infrastructure healing.

I thought it was interesting. And our war when the United States went into Afghanistan, or take it, take Iraq, the first time. And in Afghanistan, we did not do that much to rebuild. You know, you go in with war, you create collateral damage. Then if you don't do the rebuilding, which means infrastructure schools, medical, then you leave a, you leave a problem.

And that happens to so many people today because they don't have the nutritional reserves to do proper healing. So anyway, you could wind me up like that little energizer bunny here, Richard, and I can go off on one tangent to another. Let's get locked back in on your agenda there.

TalkToMeGuy: I'm going to feed you another question that's going to possibly make you go off on a tangent, but I'm doing it because. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I want to ask this question because you're one of the few people I can think of to ask this. So, verbally, we think of some herbs as tonics. Let's say, you know, the classic would be ginseng for men, dongkwai for women. So, a tonic is a long term beneficial effect. Do you think is the action of either of those really to bring them to strive to bring the body back into homeostasis, into balance?

Jack Tips, ND, PhD: Oh, yes, because you've you've cited to adapt to genics. And so, and this is greatly lost in when you have studies or medicine medical studies on herbs. They'll find the stimulatory effect. And then they'll give too much or too much of an isolated compound out of that ginseng or dongkwai.

And, and then they'll drive side effects and then they'll report. Oh, be careful, be careful. This is a bad herb. It could cause side effects and, you know, don't ever take it and stuff like that.

But it's an ignorant study that leads to an ignorant conclusion because these herbs that you cited and many others, echinacea is another one. They're adaptogenic, which means if you're, let's take hormones. There's herbs that if your hormones are too low, they build them up. But that same herb, if your hormones are too high, it will allow the body to adjust them downward into the normal range. And if they're imbalanced, you could say too much estrogen, not enough progesterone.

Not sure where testosterone is. That herb can be a balancing middle ground support. So the confusing thing when you look at a linear medical model of either stimulate or sedate in our herbology, the same herb can do both because they're modulators. They are used by the body. There are different components for the body's wisdom to use and they can build things up or bring them down according to the body's wisdom, not dictatorially by the presence of the herb. So drug medicines are dictatorial. They're going to drive it down whether you want it down or not. You may have a little elevated cholesterol.

They're going to drive it down. Instead of look at the reason why, but in herbology and nutrition, we're giving the body self regulatory mechanism, which you have to admit has little wiggle room. And we're giving that mechanism the ability to self correct.

TalkToMeGuy: Okay. Thank you. So so is there a correlation between, I don't know that that's the right word, as homeopathics are true immune modulators. Can I think of as adaptogens as true immune modulators?

Jack Tips, ND, PhD: Oh yeah, there's the, and there's foods or nutraceuticals that are immune modulators to. So when we talk about, if you want to prepare for the COVID season, you want to be sure that you have natural vitamin A, the antiviral vitamin proper. Now that's not the synthetics that are in every supplement on the market. You've got to go back to your raw process cod liver oil. Even fermented cod liver oils and get it straight from nature. But the first thing you do is establish good vitamin A. You've course got to have your D three and people have done very well supplementally supplemental D three is not quite the same as a good dose of sunshine. Where your skin makes vitamin D three and it makes some other beautiful molecules one called cholesterol sulfate, which your heart craves.

And we want the skin operative and the neat thing. If you get a little sunshine mid morning. Of course in the winter season in the north, you're not going to get any bang for your buck on that because of the, the slant of the earth. But in the summer months you stock up. But you'll get the natural form. And I was about to say the neat thing about your second key antiviral vitamin to D three, which is a powerful immune modulator is that you can never get too much vitamin D from the sun, your body will shut down producing it.

Even if you get more and more sunshine. But not so with people using D three out of the bottle. Supplementally, so I do recommend for all the loyal people who have responded to the mass marketing campaigns on vitamin D three. That you check your level from time to time you can order a D three test right off of Amazon and just put yourself in the 7065 to 75 mark.

And be sure you're not floating around at 18 or 20 when the winter flu comes your way or the cove it comes your way. And another immune modulator that is a valuable at this time of year is zinc. The zinc's been milled out of our food. It was in all the, the fiber and the husks and the brand that gets milled out in processing.

And we've lost such mineral content. Or even worse, a person might eat a glyphosate laden food, which is wheat, because they drive the wheat with the herbicide glyphosate, even though they're not trying to kill an herb. And you get that also called roundup in your body and it messes with the bacterial pathway called chikamate. And we're probably I'm not going to get too deep here, but it messes up how the bacteria process your, your food and your minerals for uptake. And so the more of the processed foods people eat, it's not just that they're lacking in zinc.

They're actually blocking. So if you were to have a, let's say an oyster or something that's popular for a high zinc content or eat some galvanized nails, whatever you do, you're not going to uptake it very well because the gut microbiome, your probiotics can't really process it because they've been damaged by glyphosate. So we're now the more that particularly the Bayer Monsanto has to raise their sales numbers and sell hybridized seeds. And the more the US government allows them to do that, the lower the mineral absorbability are we inflicting on our children. And so that's the dilemma and why the smart people will go get something like zinc sulfate. It's a nice liquid. And if I have just a minute, Richard, I'll tell you something really cool about zinc sulfate.

Zinc sulfate has a flavor. It's a little different for each person, but you take a teaspoon or a tablespoon and you can swallow it. And but if it tastes like, oh, that was like water, you know, boy, do you need it. And so they come back the next day and take another tablespoon. But when that zinc sulfate starts to taste furry or yucky or mineral like, oh, I just have a chemical waste dump in my mouth. Your body is telling you, you've got plenty.

You don't have to keep hammering it. So for people that get their zinc levels optimized, maybe they can try a little teaspoon of zinc sulfate once a week. And when it goes down real smooth, they go, OK, I needed that. And so it's sort of self regulating that we can optimize our zinc levels, be a taste and run strong that way without risking because these trace minerals, we can overdose on zinc, we can overdose on selenium and so forth. But with the zinc, we have a way of knowing for ourselves.

Then you don't have to get a necessarily it's nice once in a while. I'm an advocate of clinical nutrition where we look at blood work. But so we don't have to keep getting, you know, a hole in your arm in order to understand your zinc levels because you can run smiley and happy and care three through life just by doing a little liquid zinc sulfate and get that nutrient. And I think the fourth one for winterization would be vitamin C that we do need extra in the winter. So, you know, you can order organic ruby red grapefruit or have fresh squeezed organic orange juice or pick up a nice buffered vitamin C and just add a pill now and then to your daily regimen and that keeps your first responder and your new modulators. If anybody's really interested, all you have to do is pop into the world authority on suppressing natural health information called Google and you could even type in immune modulation zinc, immune modulation vitamin C. You'll be coming up with 10,000 articles if you can scroll down fast enough on like a PubMed where they'll tell you the immune modulatory effect of these natural health substances.

So now you could you'd learn. I'm going to take some quercetin with vitamin C or I'm going to take vitamin C with a little selenium and zinc. These are powerfully helpful, keeping the biochemistry ready for that. Right now it's three strains of nasty winter flu. Or I think we're kind of stale right now in the COVID world with the stratus and the Nimbus strains. They were duking it out a few months ago for superiority.

And it's just kind of quiet right now. But if you want to be prepared biochemically, those are your four ingredients to take to optimize. And if you use what we loosely call the genus Epidemicus, which is influenza in them for the flu, or you'd have to talk to your homeopath about the Nimbus stratus strains, you can take that extra degree on the bioenergetics. If it's okay to mention Richard, I'll plug that I've, I believe I have one of the most definitive articles on the influenza and xionam remedy the history of it. How it's made, how it's used on the, what's called wellness with WIZ, substack.

And so there's a, it's free. You pop in, you can grab the article called winterization and that's where I tried to put all the information that people might want to know about homeopropyl axis and the influenza and xionam remedy. And I just kind of stand behind that saying, yeah, if you here's the body of information and it's not, I don't slant articles to try to spaciously make a practice better than it is. I'm, I'm, I give the exact facts on the effectiveness and how it got to be where it is there.

TalkToMeGuy: So what do you think, sir? I highly recommend Jack's substack. It's a, it's great reading. Yeah, there's a great article there that Jack is, Jack just mentioned. And it's just, it's, you know, it's well written. It's fun to read. It's a good education. And for me, it's always a good refresher and education. So I highly recommend it. And it's kind of become my, it's kind of become my passion.

Jack Tips, ND, PhD: You know, what do I do as a set to a generic and with over like 45 years of clinical experience and you start maybe thinking, I don't know that I'm thinking of legacy, but I'm thinking, you know, have I learned anything that anyone else might enjoy, might benefit from. And so that's kind of become a thing where, you know, for me anyway, I thoroughly love putting my mind into how can I communicate to everyone. And I think that's one of the great things that we find on some of the great helpers and enjoys that we find in natural health that when we're, you know, sharp of mind and have energy in our bodies and we're living, you know, pain free, and we're aging well, and all of that. Don't we have a message, you know, worth sharing, even though Tony the Tiger is so much more popular.

TalkToMeGuy: I don't know the dreaded Tony the Tiger. I have somebody in chat asking a question. This is not not about homeopathy, but because I can. He's asking, he's actually saying, when I smell liquid muscular for lawns, which is basically liquid iron, I get a strong urge to drink it. I don't. But what form of iron does Jack recommend?

Jack Tips, ND, PhD: All right, yeah, that that could well be it's almost falls under something we in their biology we call doctrine of signatures, where if an herb or a fruit looks like an organ or a body system, you know, I'd be like saying, you know, walnuts kind of half a walnut looks like half your brain so walnuts are good for the brain. I mean, it's a little bit spacious, but you know what it's guided humanity for a million years, and a lot of times more than average, it's it is true. Okay, so iron is a two edge sword number one it's a heavy metal. Number two, we can't live without it. Oh, so we have an ability if we're deficient right we were called anemia. It can be pernicious it can be otherwise you know it can be vitamin B 12 folate and or iron itself.

And that's, that's all lab testable. So when it gets to be time and we're saying how do I get iron. I think first I want to point people to foods historically a tablespoon of blackstrap molasses organic provides a form of iron.

That is highly assimilable. So there was a time back in the 60s where people would put a little blackstrap molasses, which is a squeezing of sugar cane and all of the minerals that it's extracted from the soil into a dark black syrupy liquid and they put it in lemon juice, water and put a dash of cayenne in it. And then people would start reporting that they got their turn their gray hair back to the color of their hair all burner ginger or whatever their naturally are. And so there was some movement in the natural health world. And so that's what he's doing that now he's asking for what kind of iron should I supplement with, and I'm going to send you with two criterion one.

Let's avoid rusty nails. Ferris glucanate Ferris pepinate. When you see that word Ferris on a label, and then it's got a key late. Usually they're combining a rust with a protein carrier.

And that's going to be a little more hard to absorb. There are now more modernized forms of iron, like Farinil, f er o n y l it's a trademark I believe Douglas labs put that onto the market and they'll have it in half a dozen of their products and they sell it to other companies to use in their products but there's a more non toxic form of iron. Because you know that we know that if you have too much iron, they have a disease called hemachromatosis. And those people really have to avoid iron and get phlebotomy and and keep working all their lives to reduce iron, which they can do quite a bit with the green tea.

And that's what we're going to do with dietarily. But apart from having a genetic syndrome disease, We're looking at not getting overly gung-ho on supplemental iron. Another drawback is that the gut microbiome can take that ferrous rusty nail iron and turn it into, it'll make more biofilms, the pathogens will use it and make more biofilms, but it'll do that anyway, you know, with good magnesium or calcium, they put these elements into their biofilms when they learn how to hide from the immune system and hide from antibiotics. So we want a nice plant-based iron. There used to be a product, I'm sorry to say, it was called Floridix, it was a Swiss herbal product, but I think somewhere along the way they sold it because now when I see the label, it's got three or four preservatives in it and a lot of unwanted things, but if we go back to the original recipe, which is dandelion, I believe it was mainly, Floridix was mainly founded on a dandelion, that you can go back to the herbs and iron rich and the ferrinil, which is a trademark of a lab that gave people a form of iron, it's a heme, HEME like hemoglobin, it's a heme-based iron rather than digging a magnetic material out of the earth. So our natural health perspective is, yep, your body can use the elemental iron, you know, that's why people used to love cast iron skillets, because when you cooked your meatballs in it and you had tomato sauce, the acid would put some iron into the meatballs and people maintain their iron because their gut microbiome could process that iron and allow it to be absorbed. So the iron goes through the gut, microbiome, your probiotics, not just directly into you.

So anyway, all that history of research, your answer, sure took me a long time to come at it. Look for your iron rich plants, dandelion, a yellow dock, those are good sources of iron that's been converted by a plant ready for human use. And if you want to, you need to boost it, you know, you look at your lab work and your ferritin is low, your iron is low, your iron saturation is low, and you realize, you know, I'm running iron deficient, you can pull your lower eyelid down. And if you're very, very pale in the eyelid, that's a sign of iron deficiency. You know, even before they had lab tests, blood tests for iron deficiency, the doctor would just peel your eye down a little bit. And if you're all pale and not pink, you need an iron tonic.

So that would be the way to go about it. You can find the supplement based on heme. The patented name is Fira nil with a Y or any other heme based, there's companies that don't use the patent product. And your thing to avoid is the gluconate, peptinate, and the chemistry set chelates that stem from the elemental, what we call rust iron. So best wishes on that, get yourself fortified and get that hemoglobin strong running through your veins and you'll oxygenate your tissues and be healthy and happy. Excellent.

TalkToMeGuy: Okay, now back to homeopathy, although we could do this all day. I want to ask you to talk about thymoline as it's a, again, it's an immune modulator, not a stimulant, not a suppressor. And it seems to be it's part of this combination of either influenza or genus epidemic.

It seems to always be up. I don't know that it's a backup dancer, but it seems like it is kind of a backup dancer who supports the action of the genus. I don't mind the term backup dancer.

Jack Tips, ND, PhD: If you have any swifties on your listener base, you know, I think how part the how how important the backup dancers were to Taylor Swift, because she awarded them, well, somewhere over $100 million in bonuses, because they made her show so great. So yeah, influenza in them stands alone as its history as people can read because, you know, I it went into more, that might call it sanitary methods as homeopathy grew. I'm still back in the late 1700s going into the 1800s. And then today they're making it from the Louis Pasteur lab in France that makes the raw materials for the the big pharma to make the vaccine. So they're they have a special way of processing the viral strains, you know, chopping them up. I said they put them in a blender and incubating and getting them ready for the vaccines. And that's what they're making influenza in them from. So they're there's a common element, just two different thought processes, one goes down the molecular Newtonian science, the other goes down the quantum physics pathway.

So there's a fork in the road there. So now you're on to thymoline, which is a little bit of an odd homeopathic remedy, because we can say that there's remedies that have been studied and studied and used, let's say for at least 100 years, and have a good body of data, it's called material medica. And then you come upon something like thymoline, which was started with theory.

And then not as much research, but its efficacy is touted again and again by practitioners of homeopathy. Exactly as you said, Richard, it's an immune modulator. It's made from the thymus, they probably I'm not sure the the source.

It's most likely bovine thymus. That starts it. And then it's diluted and succused and diluted and succused according to the homeopathic pharmacopoeia. And then it makes a remedy.

Now at the higher potencies, maybe higher than six or nine C, there is no thymus, there is no substance, there is not a molecule of anything detectable in the remedy. What they've done is programmed it, which often is either water or dextrose. And it's programmed so a person if you're trying to understand homeopathy, it's like, well, you can get sounds and record them on iron oxide tape.

So we might say listening to a cassette tape, maybe you could, or at least if you steeped it in water and drank it, you could get some iron. But the unlike you program that tape, and now every time you play it, it's got that pattern, it's got that beautiful song. And so this of course is a big threat to the pharmacological model. Because you anyone can figure out they can be empowered to duplicate a remedy over and over and over and over again, just like you can copy a cassette tape or re burn a CD. The medicines are easily transferable.

And that's why and one reason why they're so inexpensive. It's not really that hard to go straight to the pharmacy, which is FDA approved and meticulously monitored. And you can go to that substance, which is in the little pellets or the liquid, and get your remedy.

So finally, is there's not a lot of material, Medica. But what we know it does is it works the way the body's thymus works, which is the heart of your immune system. It oversees what a lot of what the spleen does. And we know also historically, that elderly people who are becoming centenarians often have a more substantial thymus than other people. The thymus was actually considered vestigial, meaning you use it and maybe it goes away because it shrinks around puberty. It shrinks a lot as your immune system takes over with its own self direction. So it's more like the mother and father of your human immune system. But then with people who have not shrunk thymuses, and they generally have better health and generally have greater longevity, we might go, aha, you know, there's something there. So thymolene being an energetic frequency, it's an immune modulator, it gets the immune system.

Literally, I think we can use the word boosted, but balanced boosted. So now you could say, well, as you start out there, and you're heading to the, I don't know if anybody goes to the malls anymore, but you're heading out into some public event and you go, whoa, that lady just sneezed on me. Or that guy just, you know, sneezed all over the place. I wonder if I'm getting a dose of aerosol flu virus. But no, you've been taking thymolene.

Your immune system is not necessarily looking for flu, but it is now strong and vigilant looking for any and everything. So in our program, which we patterned using thymolene, the roots of it started in France. The French homeopaths discovered a rather remarkable remedy. It's made from duck parts. I believe duck kidney and duck liver potentized, but they call it ocelococcinum.

You know, you don't have to try to repeat that after me. But ocelococcinum has been on the market for years and years and years and people use it to prevent illness. They use it when they get sick to recover better. And there's good data.

There's good scientific data showing you can recover faster. Well, thymolene does the same thing. And thymolene to me seems a little more direct, right?

We're talking to the immune system, the thymus gland, the heart of the immune system. So after many years of having ocelococcinum in my repertory, I started working with thymolene and finding that I'm very, very happy with the results. So think of what we do with just two remedies. Do right now, it would be one, influenza, zinome. Now your system is prepared for the main offenders, the winter flu. And thymolene, which is boosting the whole system, because one season we had everybody running out, you know, and you go to the plumber and he goes, have you had your flu shot?

And you go to the dentist and you go, have you had your flu shot? Well, that year the flu shot was only 17% effective. And the reason is the mutation, a more rapid mutation of the flu virus. And so people were all armed and dangerous with their vaccine for the, let's say three or four strains. I think there were four strains that year.

But darn if a fifth strain didn't go and kick everybody in the, the rumpus and put them in bed for a week and two weeks. So that's why I like thymolene, because it's going to cover the bases that are not specific. And this year it's three strains. They're not specific to those three strains, but you might get another type of flu and thymolene would also give protection against colds and other immunological issues. So they all give preparedness. So I really like that tandem duo for winter, influenza and thymolene. And there, the article that we have referred people to is really about influenza, but then there is a mention on the ocelococcinum and thymolene and why we choose thymolene.

So that's just a little bit of the history. And I say, that's what you get when you stay in tune with Richard the talk to me guy, or you've got a nature path providing natural health support to you and your family. You know, you'll encounter these things, otherwise they're, they're generally unknown.

TalkToMeGuy: I think everybody I know will be learning more about thymolene after the show. It just seems like it's something you should have around. And I, the ocelococcinum, as I used to call it, is like a flashback because that seems like that was so long ago that that was, there was that one and there was flu solution. But now I would definitely go.

Jack Tips, ND, PhD: Yeah, yeah, yeah, flu solution was, yeah, flu solution was ocelococcinum, but the Delisos company that made it was bought out by Boron who makes ocelococcinum. So now it can all get wrapped under the one trade name, ocelococcinum. Yeah. Yeah. So this is what we do.

We offer to people within my small orbit, we offer the two in liquids, people alternate them, take a day off a week. So you get up squirt, you're done. And then one day a week, you just skip it. And you march it right on through into the February. And your system is constantly reminded to be extra vigilant. And so the reports from my little world, and I give some statistical data in the article, are that people inevitably are sending great thanks. Everybody got sick but me kind of stories. So while anecdotal, there, I would say to any statistical count, they're alarmingly high, that people go through the season all smiles and they're not, you know, in bed with a thermometer under their tongue and an ice pack on their heads while the rest of the family is enjoying Christmas.

TalkToMeGuy: Yes. And sickness free Christmas. That'd be amazing.

Jack Tips, ND, PhD: I'd be happy to share if you want with your readers, your listeners, sorry, I'm so print oriented. There's a information page on the internet. I would have to send you the link. It's on constant contact. But it's pretty much the data a person needs and then they can get access to our, our tandem, our potencies, our liquids. So all the experience of, you know, let's say 40 years being applied in a real simple inexpensive step to take to, we call it winter preparedness.

TalkToMeGuy: Wonderful. Yes. Please send it to me. And I hope for the listeners, I'll put that in the show notes. Absolutely. And I look forward. Yeah. This will be, we're rounding the bend. I'm surprised already. For people taught that antibodies equal immunity. Why is innate preparedness actually superior?

Jack Tips, ND, PhD: It's the first responders. The human body has two immune systems. The first response and then the, well, let's call it second response. And so for people that delve into this, all our natural health, they'll often hear about the th one response versus th two.

And they try to divide the immune system up into specific categories. The two systems have their arms linked arm in arm. They overlap. Each one works with different interleukins.

But let's put it this way. The body, you in order to survive the onslaught of pathogens, which this world abounds in right mold, virus, bacteria, you know, spirochetes, um, Michael plasma. There's so many things that come parasitically looking for the human that the body develops a first response.

Take care of it before it ever gets started. Uh, system or we couldn't survive. And we actually learn that bacteria have a powerful first response system themselves. And so when we consider that our bodies are made up of trillions of mitochondria, which are bacteria that make energy inside ourselves and we have trillions of bacteria in our gut microbiome, we realize that we are inseparably linked with the, the traits that bacteria express their ability to survive over the millennia has been imparted to human beings, being able to deal with the environment. Might I say the sad thing is what we do to our environment and making it harder and harder on people to adapt and survive when we could have found a beautiful equilibrium.

But that's another show, another topic. But um, so our first responder system means it turns it away without much to do. The body was prepared. It laughed in the face of danger and you just keep chugging right along. And uh, you know, maybe you have a little low afternoon and you go, Oh my goodness, you know, um, I need to rest. And then the next day you're fine or you take a lovely salt and soda bath or something and just kind of recharge your batteries.

Um, and it was like, well, that was nothing. That was just the up and downs of life versus, um, the antibody system, which means you have to acquire the disease. And then if you live through it, you develop antibodies.

So this is what the vaccination subject is all about. It's forcing antibodies as if you had the disease and getting your immune system now to hang on to antibodies for that extra protection. So the acquired immune system comes at a price. The body had to have the disease and survive it. And then it makes antibodies. And this is a good process too. You know, we could, like we talked a little earlier about maybe a chickenpox or a measle party where people, parents would deliberately expose their children to the virus and knowing that the child would get immunity and then be able to live a long and healthy, happy life and probably have resistance and never get shingles and other evolutions of the viruses.

So, um, that second system comes at a price. And I think we talked about this last week that your body, if you meet a person who's had a lot of diseases that have gotten over maybe malaria, chikungunya, maybe they had a round of typhoid or they thought they were getting some polio and all these things, they're not going to be vibrant. They're not going to be quite as healthy a presentation as someone who never encountered that, who's somehow managed like we do in the United States or we have for the last 50 years. We've kind of lived in a sweet spot of time where through mainly, through sanitation, we don't have cholera. We're not dealing with a lot of diphtheria.

Um, it's just not coming our way. And so, um, when you don't have a stacked up, um, system that's had to fight, fight, fight all of these diseases, you could say that that person seems to present a little more healthy. It doesn't mean they're not vulnerable. I mean, look what happened to the indigenous peoples of this Western Hemisphere when, um, sailing ships arrived and, you know, things like smallpox and syphilis, uh, literally wiped out 90% of millions and millions of people. So I'm not saying it's great to be blithely ignorant with your immune system, but I'm saying that we might go back to a sweet spot in the Hawaiian culture before the big diseases that they were separated from the rest of the world. They had evolved within their environment and they had not experienced, um, let's say syphilis. So, um, or smallpox or any of the things that were devastating the European cities.

So this is the push-pull. And sometimes people will say, Jack, you, you speak rather poorly about vaccines. Are you an anti-vaxxer? And I'll go, no, I don't want to be pro or against.

I want to deal with the facts and I want human beings to know the truth and have free choice. If you're worried, go get your vaxes. If you have a better idea, do that. Um, so anyway, that's, I wanted to lay that arrest because I really don't like being labeled.

So, but I do look at massive amounts of research and data. And so that's where I hope my voice is coming from. And to summarize your question, Richard, um, the first line immunity, if you can handle things that way, your gut takes care of something you ate.

You never know it. Six people in the restaurant all come down with tomeane poisoning or salmonella and you walk through it and go, didn't happen to me. They go, yeah, but you all ate the same shrimp.

You all ate the same thing. Well, it didn't happen to me. That means you're in a immune system that, hey, you know, I can take care of business.

It's bolstered by your gut microbiome, by your probiotic species. And they said, oh, here's a nasty customer. We'll take care of that.

And so you get to go on your merry way. Where other things come and are extremely, let's say life threatening, dangerous bugs. They're mutated into strains that are highly detrimental to human ability. And so then if you go through it, you get your antibodies and you're free and happy. If you take a vaccination and the vaccination works and let's assume that the adjuvants don't knock your immune system down two notches, then or cause autism, you know, we can all tune into the debates.

Now you've got your antibodies and you also can hold that sword up in your shield and go, I am strong and I'm not going to get diphtheria. And so there's a lot of wiggle room. And I think it's remiss to be strictly on one side or the other.

Let's look at it this way. Louis Pasteur is credited with a small, I'm sorry, Rabies vaccine. That rabies vaccine has to be given within two weeks of the bite.

It's the incubation time of rabies. If you develop the disease, the vaccine will not save you. Nothing will. We don't know. Nothing in human history shows the miracle cure.

It's probably out there, but we don't have clear record. So if you get bit by a rabid animal, you have a choice. You can look at the homeopaths who have remedies for rabies. You can look at their hydrophobinum, the no-sode. But when I looked at those studies, I was not seeing clear proof of the disease. Maybe someone got a dog bite. Maybe they took the remedies.

It never developed because they only had the remedies at the time and it never developed. So I'm saying it's fair for modern medicine to say this research is not substantial. So I'm thinking, I want to speak as one who has seen homeopathic remedies, curing the incurable. I've seen Parvo virus reversed in an infected animal. I have seen a lot of the things they advertise on TV corrected with homeopathy and the person does not take the drugs.

But if I were bit by the rabid squirrel, I'm going to go get the shots. And I say that because I do not have clear scientific data that for that disease, so see, that's the exception to the rule. I had no trouble with remedies and COVID. I had no trouble with the flu and looking at the data.

But I'm just saying the data on rabies says that I need to see some case studies where the remedies excel and it's not that they don't, it's just not available. So I think we have to sometimes, you know, we have to temper drawing a line in the sand because the human existence is not about all black and white, referring orcayically to that term. It's not all right or wrong, my way or the highway, there's a number of shades of gray.

And so it's only ethically, even morally correct to point that out. But that's why people would go to a homeopath and who knows their stuff and they're not going to be the first person to show that a rabid bite can be corrected, the stakes are too high.

TalkToMeGuy: I give that as a caveat.

Jack Tips, ND, PhD: Yeah, yeah, I just give that as a caveat because I don't want to be classified as, you know, all on board with an extreme end of the seesaw. I've always recognized that there's a value. In fact, when I started in the naturopathic and herbology and a natural health clinic, I expected 40 years ago that modern medicine and our natural health principles would merge, that the great wisdom and training and anatomy and physiology and all that deep studying of diseases would bring the two together that the natural health disciplines would say, I know what health is, I know how to keep the body in health, I know how to maintain health. And the doctor would say, Oh, I've ever studied a diseases.

So don't call me a healthcare practitioner, call me a disease specialist. And, and that the two would join hands. And that we would now serve humanity with doctors being right there to diagnose and, you know, identify diseases and to help make decisions about what the best therapy is for a human being.

Unfortunately, like so many things, Richard, that's come to pass in our lives, we're seeing more strife, more division, and more uncertainty. But the amount of propaganda that's put out by pharmaceuticals and their trillions of dollars is deeply insulting to the human being. And when when I started in natural health, we were all friends. My patients would tell me to tell their doctor, Oh, I'm seeing Dr. Tibbs, and he's going to do these vitamins, he's great, I'll pull blood work on you in three months and we'll see how good he's doing.

You'll say, Yeah, fair enough. I was doing the blood work anyway. But, you know, you got to put yourself onto the facts. And so I really thought that the logic and the common sense of natural health would inevitably that truth would float to the surface and drive people as a society toward better health, not to see the chronic degeneration of our food supply, the chronic toxicity of our air supply, the pollutants and gut microbiome disturbances of drinking tap water. And just everything we do threatening the human body. And then the smug, it's okay.

And then the put down of those that have a brain. So anyway, that's our that's our dilemma today. And it's not been in my lifetime, that beautiful amount of deep and expensive science backing up our natural health approach and the shining wonders of good health stepping to the forefront. So you're right, I research all the time, but I'm finding the studies like we talked about where zinc is an immune modulator and what the population really has, what they need and how obvious it is that if we had our zinc and vitamin A and vitamin D, and did a little extra C in the winter, we wouldn't even need that flu vaccine. If children had good nutrition and vitamin A, they would not be fearful of measles.

And yet the media wants to back the fear mongering of we're all going to die if we don't load our body with artificially induced antibodies and drugs. So that's the world we live in, Richard. And for each of your listeners who has decided to think for themselves, I want to honor you and honor your listeners as, hey, it's wonderful to hobnob with the best and the brightest.

TalkToMeGuy: And that's why we do what we do. You write, I talk, because that's really, it's a, I agree with everything you've said. I can't, there's no argument in there at all. It's astonishing to me that we aren't exactly where you think we're moving toward. And I'll stop there.

Jack Tips, ND, PhD: There's big, big forces that have personal agendas to keep humanity, let's just say sick. It's parasitic. If we look at the role of a parasite, whether a tapeworm, they feed off our bodies, but they don't want to kill us. They want to keep their hosts alive, but they make us sick. They release toxins to keep eggs from hatching and creating their own competition. So they want you sick. They want you half sick, half alive, and then they'll use you to their purpose. And I'm sorry to say, but our brilliant, beautiful human condition, our beautiful human bodies, our holistic body, mind, spirit.

We're in a boot camp. We're in a stranger in a strange land situation where there's so many, many parasitic species that it serves them better if the mass population is weak. And taking, there are a lot of 21 drugs and 50 vaccines and plotting along, being cash cows, we're turning the earth into a CAFO, a concentrated feedlot. And when I saw 40 new billionaires capitalizing on COVID and Big Pharma, you know, that spoke loud to me that they're, even they're using their own, their cannibals, because they had the brave nurses and the dedicated doctors working long hours in the front ranks of hospitals trying to save the world from the pandemic.

And meanwhile, they put a billion, 40 people put a billion dollars into their bank account. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm sorry, you know, I kind of end up on the quote, the love of money is the root of all evil. And we have such forces, such wolves amongst our sheeple. Anyway, I want to end on gloom and doom. Let me let me say one thing and that's our natural health model is here to help people and we still can overcome the environment and we can take the self responsibility to keep ourselves healthy and happy.

And if we've acquired symptoms and diseases, we have beautiful practices, acupuncture, homeopathy, clinical nutrition, massage therapy, so many wonderful, I don't mean to leave anyone out, so many natural health therapies for the shoot of fit and help reward the person with greater dimensions of health and happiness in their lives. So I agree completely.

TalkToMeGuy: That I work with you and I will put the sub stack, which I cannot recommend enough. Jack is not paying me to say this. I just am a fan of his sub stack because it's everything that he's talked about. It's a great read. I'll put that in the show.

Jack Tips, ND, PhD: And you can read it for free. Yeah. Richard, I'm just going to say wellnesswiz.com. That's my webpage. W-E-L-L-N-E-S-S-W-I-Z .com. I believe there's going to be links on that website that gets you over to the other things. I'll send you the link since we spent time on winterization and winter preparedness. Right.

I'll certainly share that. And again, it's people go in there. There's no tracking of their emails. You get information and should feel safe to check it out and see what you think for yourself. So I'll fire that off to you. And what a joy it's been just yakking yak with you this morning. Excellent.

TalkToMeGuy: Thank you. And no phone issues. What a gift. We got it down. Yeah. All right. Thank you so much, Jack. That was fun as always. Have a great rest of the week. And we'll see you next week. Bye-bye.

Jack Tips, ND, PhD. : Bye.