Muscle as The Organ of Longevity with Dr. Eric Fete, DO

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If you'd like to leave me a voice message with a question for a guest or a guest idea for a show, you can do that directly from the site and I will be notified. With that, Dr. Eric Fate spent years as an emergency room physician watching preventable diseases destroy his patients. That experience changed everything. He realized the medical system was built to treat problems after they happened, not stop them before they start. He shifted his entire career to prevention, diving deep into hormone optimization, peptide therapy, nutrition, and the science of how muscle becomes the organ of longevity. Through Primax, he now works with patients across the country via telemedicine, helping them build stronger, healthier bodies as they age. He certified in age management medicine, bioidentical hormone replacement therapy, and a medical peptide therapy, and is a member of the Scientific Research and Performance Institute. But more than credentials, he brings real world insight. There's perspective of someone who's seen both sides, conventional medicine, and what actually works for long-term vitality. Welcome, Dr. Eric

Dr Eric Fete: Thank you very much, Richard. Appreciate that and the kind intro. Looking forward to our conversation.

TalkToMeGuy : I'd like to start by asking, was it a patient or what was your ah haaaa moment in the ER when you realized, wait a minute, I want to do something to really help prevent this?

Dr Eric Fete: Yeah, it's a great question. I don't think there was one particular patient, but it was a series of patients. It was kind of a building, a negative momentum, I guess, as I noticed oftentimes in medicine, and while I guess in any profession, you kind of get buried and you just kind of get into the routine of doing things day after day. You kind of become an automaton and I think every now and then it's good. Just like in life and relationships and everything, you got to take a step back and take a view from 30,000 feet.

And is this working? Do I like this? Is this my path? What am I doing wrong? What am I doing right?

What's going on here? So I think it was, I finally took a step back and was maybe on a stressful day and just kind of realized, what am I doing? And I think I saw a series of young people in their 30s and 40s and they're on 10, 15 medications or overweight, they're disabled or quote unquote disabled and just not doing well.

And I'm thinking, gosh, this, and I try to talk to them a little bit, but you're kind of limited in time. And like, dude, this could have been preventive. You just would have made some better choices in health and lifestyle, eat some better food, get outside, actually, all these different things. And I think, holy crap, Saul could have been prevented. This guy just had a heart attack and he's 39.

And now he's got decades of bad things ahead of him and disability and this totally could have been prevented. It just frustrated me. And I was just, I was angry, I was frustrated and I felt bad. And I thought, there's got to be a better way. And that's when really kind of prompted me to start looking down the road to preventive health.

And I thought, I got to do something different here to help these people so they don't come to me in so I love to love to love to see it, but I don't, you know, kind of thing. So I guess that was kind of the genesis of it. I just, I guess I finally realized it after seeing more and more of it. I'm like, I'm starting to recognize trends. I was kind of good at seeing, you know, big picture view and looking at trends kind of like back in the day when they're pushing pain medicine and everybody and you got to treat the pain, got to treat the pain. Like, I remember pushing back on administration thinking, this is not good.

There's gonna be a problem here. This is going to come back and buy us and sure enough, you know, how many years later we're like total flip flip flop. Oh my gosh. Now we got a narcotic crisis and, you know, give everybody an arcane and, you know, Suboxone and so, you know, it's a big crisis now. I'm like, yeah, and you created it, you know, so I award you. So anyway, so that's, that's kind of, kind of where what got me into the preventive health space.

TalkToMeGuy : Well, I've, we were talking a little bit backstage. I got my degree as a master herbalist in the late 70s. Let's say early 80s, because that doesn't sound quite as far. And so I've always been oriented toward what you're doing now in terms of alternative thinking outside. I give you know, I'm kind of, I'm wavy. I'm, there's no box.

At this point, there is no box. But it's just, I think it's such a great direction. I talked to a lot of doctors who start out with their MD or their DO and then they become an ND or they become an acupuncturist, they become, it's suddenly, there's an aha moment when it's like just exactly what you're talking about. When you go, wait, this is not, I'm not helping people. I'm just, you know, zipping them back up and sending them on their way.

Right. And I think it's an awesome thing to see, but yet another doctor in such a great way. And you're smart enough to even figure it out to be doing telemedicine, which is brilliant, but that's a whole other conversation. Sort of not step back, but ask when you were going to go to school and get your degree, you chose to get a degree as an osteopath, not as an MD. I'm not saying that they aren't equal, but just what was your choice there studying osteopathy?

Dr Eric Fete: Correct. So yeah, I think I originally started going down the road. I was just looking at the allopathic and I happened to speak with a, my parents were teachers and one of my, my dad's former students had gone into the osteopathic program and just in conversation that came up and my dad said, Hey, you know, I don't remember his name now, but you know, Chris has went to an osteopathic program and he loves it. You should check it out. So I started doing a little dig in and I realized that they kind of had more of a holistic approach to the care of, you know, as opposed to the allopathic schools at the time. And a little bit more seemed like that at the time when I was doing the research. And I think this bore out, like we were just talking offscreen about, you know, the, they have a whole treatment of osteopathic manipulative therapy, they call where you're treating the body, you know, through movements and treating the muscles and the fashion, the bones, how you could treat the body and treat these diseases. And it was a kind of a bigger picture approach. Like we're talking about outside the box.

In addition to not, you know, the medical side. So it was a nice combination. It seemed a little different since, and you know, again, I've been an athlete in my whole life, my parents were teachers, my dad taught physiology and biology. I was always attuned to the workings of the body and it just appealed to me more, but you know, to seem to be a little bit different, seemed to be again, with me thinking, you know, trying to think a little forward, you know, three steps ahead to me, it seemed like a better, better avenue to go after it. It's because it seemed to be a little different, a little more cutting edge and a little more advanced to me. So that's the path I chose.

And all the people that I talked to, you know, had nothing but good things come, you know, with, you know, people that have been through interviews and started with the osteopathic versus the alpath, they all seemed to prefer it. So that was my choice. And I'm glad I did. And it kind of bore out, you know, I had a, I think I learned a little bit more above and beyond what I think I would have gotten out of an alpathic program and all the other quote unquote traditional training was just as good, I believe, and it set me on a good road. So that was, that was my decision making process anyway.

TalkToMeGuy : Well, it seems oddly enough, when I was youngish, young enough, when I was still a kid. And at some point, I don't know why, because my parents are so not oriented this way. They took me to an osteopath, because I think I'd had a fall off of a bicycle. That seems pretty like I would have had that.

And it was just the most amazing, we were not particularly a go to the doctor kind of family. Right. Period.

Yeah. If it wasn't bleeding or in a bag of ice, and so when they took me to an osteopath, which I didn't even know what that was, but it was a family friend. And it was just an amazing, you know, he did a lot of adjusting what we would think it was chiropractic like adjustments, but it was different in style. Now I know it was very different in style. But it just seemed to me that osteopaths had him have a much more big assault picture of the body because they actually not only are they medical doctors, but they also have the comprehension of the arm and the leg are involved here. They're not just extremities. Yes. Now, I don't know how deep that actually goes, but I just know in terms of my experience at one time, and I've known a few osteopaths, that they do seem to have a bigger picture because I think because of that, because they actually understand the elbow and the knee go together.

Dr Eric Fete: Yeah, I think it's definitely been justified. And as of late in what I've been learning in the preventive health space longevity, you know, and like we were talking beforehand about, you know, I've learned a lot more about, you know, just the bodies, it's about energy as I learned about quantum biology and the energetic flow. You know, we're talking about Eastern medicine and different things like that.

I think there's definitely something to it. We were learning modern science is kind of catching up with the ways of quote unquote old, right? Like connecting the dots in terms of energetic flows. You know, we talk about grounding and the circadian rhythms, the power of the sun and light therapy, sound therapy. And then we've, you know, a lot of people talk about the fascia, how it interconnects every system in our body. So that lends credence to what the osteopaths taught about how, you know, like you said, the arm and leg or whatever can connect and affect other parts of the body. And now we're learning scientifically how that works because it's all connected through the fascia, through the electrochemical pathways, neurologic pathways, different things that all these systems and these tissues are literally connected to every part of the body.

You know, similar to what the Chinese medicine talked about meridians and energy flow, how, you know, the point, a point on your foot or our hand can connect to your liver, your gallbladder, your brain, all these different things. And so all the sciences are really starting to back this up now. So, you know, blending, and that's kind of what I love to do is just, and is the blending the old and the new. And I think there's something to that. And I think it makes a nice cohesive approach. And just, like I said, it just makes everything, it kind of legitimizes everything we've been learning about all this thing. And it's fascinating just to learn more and more what we don't know, how much we don't know, despite all these years of learning, and how it's all connected and how we can use these strategies and these techniques to improve health and improve the lives of our patients.

TalkToMeGuy : And I think, yeah, I can say this, I'm not saying anything bad as I said. But I think if you'd been an MD, you might, you might not have had that, been able to have had the space to have that aha moment of like, I can do more. But because of that osteopathic principle of, you know, the fascia is involved here. Hello, we're not just cutting things and selling them back together. Right.

All of the system. And so that that osteopathic background gave you that space to like, Oh, I remember that from learning that in school. So I think it's a, it's a great angle. I'm jumping now. When did the idea that muscle is part of the endocrine system appear on the health scene?

Dr Eric Fete: You know, that's relatively recently, I believe. And that's one of the reasons I kind of got into that space, or kind of, I was looking for kind of a niche and just more for self interest, but also how to differentiate myself. There weren't a lot of doctors talking about, you know, muscle and how important it was to the human body. Most people think of muscle as, you know, just to look good in the mirror or bodybuilders and this and that, but muscle is actually an endocrine organ. And I believe the organ of longevity because, because of all that it does for the body, which I'm sure we'll get into, but there weren't a lot of people talking about. So for me, as I was really kind of, when I created Primax, I call it cellular nutrition and fitness.

So looking at cellular, you know, muscle medicine is I kind of coined in trademark, the phrase muscle medicine, because of that focus. Like I said, there weren't really too many people talking about it. So that was kind of my decision was kind of a, not just a medical, but you know, kind of a marketing niche as well, because, you know, I think nobody was was in that space or really coining it. So I went into that because I saw how important it was. And now I think, nowadays in 2025, now we're seeing a lot more people talk about it.

You see a lot more things and a lot more social media posts talking about muscle and how important it is for health and longevity. So I think it's definitely picked up for sure. But when I started talking about it, I don't even know now a couple of years ago, weren't more than many people talking about it. So at least that that that least that much have a differentiated specific focus on that anyway. So but now kind of like we were talking about with fashion and energy, I think it's definitely picked up the pace. There's a lot more research coming out, a lot more people discussing it on social media, etc, etc. So but that's good.

It's all good. It just lends lends more importance to makes people aware. So when I talk about or someone else talk about now, if people are starting to kind of perk up and like, Oh, yeah, that makes sense. You know, so it makes sense.

TalkToMeGuy : And how do circadian rhythms, sunlight exposure, other biological principles affect cellular function and mitochondrial health? Because that all is involved here. Absolutely.

Dr Eric Fete: Yeah, definitely. I think before I even got focused on muscle a lot, I was really focused on the mitochondria and I still am because they're they're very synergistic and connected. I think from you know, I've always believed in you know, kind of the Nat, you know, more than natural health approach, you know, in terms of like, you know, getting outside, getting sun moving, walking through the woods, you know, what they call forest, people call forest bathing or just hiking or whatever. I've always had a niche, and I've always had interest in that. But the more I learn about natural health and you know, Eastern medicine, and it's kind of jibed in my brain more made me focus on even more than in the last year, I've kind of really started studying and learning about quantum biology. And that really solidified in my brain that there's there's definitely a scientific basis and merit to this, you know, sunlight and the light and the energy, the flow of electrons and you know, the electromagnetic fields in the earth are so tremendously important to our health. And they always always has been again, kind of going back to ancient times, you know, in Eastern medicine, the Buddhists and American Indians, they're all recognize how important that was the pathway and the circadian rhythm, the sun coming up, the sun going down, the seasons of fall, winter, spring, etc. How important it is to nature and you know, kind of giving back to the earth, what you take, etc.

So, you know, I think it just blends the old and the new very, very nicely and circadian rhythms are massively important. I talk about pretty much with all my patients and especially now, you know, my big, my big, you know, soapbox stand is about, you know, the how our world is killing how modern life is killing us, right? We live in a very toxic world, you know, we're all inside with controlled environments, you know, with, you know, plastics and metals and in front of EMF and blue light all day or in front of our devices, the windows are shut, you know, blocking out the sun, blocking the fresh, you know, where our food is depleted, where toxins and glyphosate everywhere. It's just, it's a very hard to be healthy nowadays in them, all the world that we've created. So, all the more reason to get outside, you know, get away from the screens, get some real air, get around the trees, get sun on our skin, sun in our eyeballs and I tell everybody, say, get outside first thing and the first thing you should do after drinking some water is getting outside and put your feet in the grass, you know, feel the earth and look at the sun literally as it's starting to come up because that, you know, that sunlight on your eyeball number one, it sets your circadian rhythm for the day, but it literally transmits photons and energy and signals through your eye, into your retina, into your literally, into your brain, through the suprachiasmatic nucleus and turns on, modulates cortisol, gets your melatonin turned off to wake you up through the day and starts the process so you can make it an evening so you can actually sleep better that night and but it energizes you, gets you going for the day, it optimizes your leptin and other important hormones to get your body on track to wake up and to process and to be on track and on a normal cycle for the day. A lot of people are, you know, everybody's trying to lose weight or sleep better or, you know, get rid of their fatigue or get rid of their anxiety. A lot of the reasons for this because their rhythms are all messed up.

They're not going out in the sun. Their first thing to do is look at their phone, you know, they're inside all day and they're staying up late on their devices instead of turning out the lights. And so their brain, or any ancestral or our DNA has been, you know, engineered for millions, you know, how many thousands or millions of years to follow this pattern. We're completely throwing that off the kilt with all this artificial crappy food and artificial light and they're completely just disregarding our circadian, natural circadian rhythm. So no wonder we're a society of a stressed out, upset, fat, you know, angry people, right? So not that everybody is and I'm not trying to anger anybody, but, you know, like I said, it's not, it's not necessarily anybody's particular fault, but we fall into these patterns. So circadian rhythm is very, very, very important. And I talk about it.

I usually even have a PDF that I send to my patients, you know, kind of my 24 hour rhythm, like here's what you should do on a very simplistic form, you know, to follow that circadian rhythm. So extremely important, important foundation. And again, the, you know, the wise, wise ones of old have been talking about this for millennia. So I think there's something to it.

TalkToMeGuy : You mentioned forest bathing earlier and I went to a workshop a few years back with Diana Bearsford Kroger, who wrote a book called Call of the Forest. Diana was an MD cardiologist, discovered that she didn't like it, didn't like the industry. And she went on to get her PhD, because she hadn't learned enough. She got a PhD in botany. And she, part of her book is, is talking about the call of the forest, talking about the forest bathing in Japan.

And she, because of her background, she wrote about all the hormone benefits and all the receptor sites and the stimulation and the improvement to the immune system, and all the benefits of actually doing that simple act. Excellent. Of going and being, I almost used a bad word, going and being in the forest.

Right, right. You know, just going, I live about half an hour from beautiful redwood trees, really breathtaking old redwood trees. And I'll go out there and just wander around. And it's like, what are you doing today? I'm going to go walk in the trees. You're what? What? You know, I mean, she wants you to go out in the forest and be naked. Yeah, that would be her preference, because she writes it to get into the pores of the tissues. Yeah, yeah.

And get the benefit of all of that. And, and, and then there's Stephanie Seneff, who wrote the book on glyphosate toxic, toxic, toxic, toxic, toxic legacy. That's it. Gotcha. And she's a huge pardon.

Dr Eric Fete: The first letter you mentioned, what was the book she wrote?

TalkToMeGuy : Oh, Call of the Forest. Okay, nice. And Stephanie talks a lot about, even though she's always ranting in the best of ways about glyphosate and how toxic it is and what is it, and then I spin into the like, what the hell is it doing on our school lunches program? But Stephanie also was a huge fan of getting a tan. Right. She said, the best protection you can have for your skin in terms of sunburn is get, again, insert bad word of your choice, get a tan.

Right. Just go out of the sun, have sun on your skin. You know, this is why I've always, I'm a great fan of animals, more so than people. And, you know, watch it. You know, my dog, my Labrador used to go out, I'd be inside working the computer, and she'd go outside and lay on the deck in the sun. Come back in and go, Hey, what are you doing in here?

Come on, come with me, come with me. And she'd go out again. Right. I mean, she was smart enough. My dog was smarter than me is the bottom line. Right. She knew to go out and lay in the sun, feel the warmth, get the benefit of what was going on.

You know, have her eyes in sunlight, not staring at a blue screen for goodness sake. Right. And so it's just, it's amazing how a lot of, you know, all the native peoples that I've worked with as an herbalist, I've worked with some older non English speaking, what are called curanderos, which are medicine women men. Right. And they spend the bulk of their time in the forest.

So imagine their immune systems and I've met some very old curanderos in their nineties, who are still actively treating and working with people in the jungles, looking like they're, looking like they're just giving you sticks and twigs and saying, make this into a soup and drink it three times a day. That's really kind of the bottom line. Yeah. Yeah.

But I mean, there's a lot of, if we listen to our body and set down the damn little device stuck to our face, correct. It would be amazing. I don't have a question there. I'm sorry.

Dr Eric Fete: I love that. And I 100% agree. And I would love to meet someone like that. I mean, you know, it's like, you know, again, not to, you know, repeat it over and over, but it's true. You know, look at, like you said, the, the, the, what, you know, the shamans and all these people you talked about, I mean, they're, they're smart. They're, they're healthy. Look at some of these indigenous societies. They're extremely healthy. They don't have all the diseases we have.

They're doing something right. You know, you listen to your bodies, listen to nature. I think that's what we've gotten away from. And I, you know, I talk about that a lot and, you know, how, you know, big pharma, big government, et cetera, they promote this, they want the drugs in our body, the food, the devices, and they want us fat, dumb and weak. You know, we're easy to control that way.

And for other reasons, I need to make profit, et cetera, which I, is, you know, I, I don't like, you know, I, I'm big on, I agree 100% that just we need to disconnect and social creatures, we should be out talking to people out outside, you know, communing, kind of connecting, helping each other out, getting outside, connecting with nature. And it's hard. I know it's hard. We all have to live and do our work and stuff, but we should try to do that as much as we can. I 100% agree.

TalkToMeGuy : I do admit there are times when I'm in the forest and there might be an earbud in my ears so I can be listening to a lecture. I can't totally give it up. I'm always learning something. So there are times when I'm in nature, you know, and quietly listening to a lecture by somebody, but I'm in nature while I'm doing that. Even if I'm just meandering around, I don't have to go like, I don't have to get rigged up in special clothing to go walk around in nature.

That's another thing. I live in Northern California. So there's a lot of people who feel the need to be dressed in spandex to go for a walk in the forest. And if I know, just go in the forest. Just really, your dog, follow your dog. Your dog knows where to go.

Dr Eric Fete: I agree. Yeah, in the same way. I mean, I walk every day and a lot of times in the morning, I eat the same thing. I'll be listening to a podcast or a book on tape. And then there are other days I won't. I'll just go and just look at the sun and pray and just think, think positive thoughts and just take it all in. And, you know, when I go through the, I try to do a weekly hike with the same thing with my dog. And I usually just go with nothing.

I don't, but every now and then, you know, like I said, when I walk around the neighborhood, I'll sometimes listen to stuff. But it's all about balance. Just do what you can. Just try to get outside. And like you said earlier, you know, get sun on your skin.

That's, it's very good for you. I think we've been, everybody's been kind of brainwashed into this whole, the sun is bad and sunblock 24 seven and sunglasses. And that's, that's completely, I completely disagree with that. That science backs this up as well. You know, get some sun on your skin, get a little bit of a tea and get the sun in your eyeballs.

It's good. Again, going back to circadian rhythms and, you know, most people that do this, they have less skin cancers. You know, sun doesn't cause skin cancer.

Yeah. If you're out like 12 hours a day, yeah, it's probably, you know, you could burn, you could get sun, you know, again, it's all about balance and being smart about it. But don't be afraid of it. It's actually going to be very, very healthy for you.

TalkToMeGuy : So, well, I also have, I'll stop soon, an issue with like kids that the mom is thinking they're doing a good thing by just smearing some insert several bad words product over their skin. Correct. And then the heat is diaphoretic in the pores on the skin. So that that again, bad words stuff is, you know, just assimilating into the body. Yes. And it's like, what, what?

Dr Eric Fete: Absolutely horrible. I agree. Yeah, you don't know what that is. Even if it's quote unquote natural, it's still, it's not.

TalkToMeGuy : It's not made by nature. No, no, no, no, it's coming out of a squirt bottle. And it's more about the texture and getting it to assimilate or they have stations at beaches when you can spray yourself stuff down with stuff. Right.

Dr Eric Fete: Oh yeah. I mean, and they've studied this, you know, people like, like you said, get a tan and get outside, they have less skin cancer and less diseases because they are getting that. I mean, I couldn't tell you last time, but sunscreen, I'm saying every chance I get, I go outside with no sunscreen and I get a little bit of a tan and I'm better. I feel, I feel better and, you know, I've never had any issues, you know, and like you said, so yeah.

TalkToMeGuy : Okay, we're going to jump into an Ugi Boogie zone for a moment. Not too Ugi Boogie, but kind of, it sounds like it when we, but I'll, I'll bring it up the other side.

In Japan, they have a word that they use called Ikigai. Yes. Yes. Ikigai in Japan is purpose in life. It's the way to live. Right. It's not, it's not like a, it's a weekend hobby. It is a, it's a way you live your life. Right. And I've heard or read, because by now it's a blur, which way it comes in, that you live to give. Is this your Ikigai?

Dr Eric Fete: It is. That's my, that's my, kind of my mantra, you know, and I think I love Ikigai. It's true. I, I remember, I've read that and I've seen it and I like talking about the little phrases, you know, like kind of like what we were talking about in Shinnren Yoku.

That's what they call it. You know, Ikigai is, yeah, I think it is because, so I, you know, on most of my messages and my social media, I try to end with that, you know, live to give, you know, because I guess when I originally got into this space, you know, my mission is to make people feel better, you know, to optimize their health, their performance by doing everything that I do with them. And I, and I feel that in my heart and soul, I feel that if people feel good, they physically feel good, they have energy, they have better, they're in a better mood, they, their body composition is good, they feel better, they're going to be feel better about themselves and people who feel good about themselves tend to feed other people better and tend to make other people feel better. At least I feel like they should anyway. So compared to someone who's, you know, you know, tired and angry and depressed, right?

They're, they're probably not going to be nice to people. So I think my, my thing is to make people feel good and then therefore to pass it forward, you know, make other someone else feel good. So then I kind of came up with that live to give, you know, so if I could get my people to live to give, you know, feel good about themselves and give back to other people, then they can hopefully pass it forward and hopefully we'll make this world a better place.

You know, we're, we live in a crazy world and I feel like we can all do our part to make it more positive. I think we, we get what we focus on. So I think instead of arguing and bickering and, you know, doing what they, the, all the powers that we want us to do and dividing ourselves, we should come together, you know, kind of like these indigenous societies and the blue zone people, they, they commune, they go outside, they garden, they talk, they, they pray, they meditate, they, they, you know, they go to, they go to church, they hang out with their friends and family and they actually talk and no devices. And so I think we need to do that. You know, maybe, you know, I'm trying to hold on to the past, but I think we can learn some lessons and make it and bring the past forward a little bit and make, you know, try to, you know, yes, we have to use the phone and the computers and things, but we can minimize that, right?

And we can actually get out and commune with people. And so again, not, you know, not to get off tangent, but I think again, live to give is just, just that I want people to feel good about themselves and hopefully they'll make other people feel good. And even if whatever you're doing, even if they're not working with me, just like I always tell people to do something nice for someone, pass it forward, let's try to help each other out.

That's what we're all here for. We're meant to be a communal people. We're most meant to help each other and love and laugh and hug each other and shake hands. And we can agree to disagree on things. We don't have to hate each other and be glad when bad things happen to people.

Like what's, you know, I mean, we should be helping each other out. We're all, we're all human. We're all human beings. It doesn't matter, you know, if we have different, you know, color, race, blah, blah, blah, you know, we're all human beings. We're all on the same team. You know, we just need to help each other out. So yeah, I think for me, that's my key guide. I love that. And I'm glad you reminded me of that.

TalkToMeGuy : And have you seen a research on benefits to our immune system when we sort of tap into our eke guys on?

Dr Eric Fete: Absolutely. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Positively. I mean, when you get into, you know, we're talking about that and like, you know, people who have, you know, people like Joseph Murphy, you've read about that, the power of the subconscious mind, you know, a lot of people have written about this, about the power of belief, the power of having faith in whatever you want it to be, whether it's, you know, you know, Jesus or God or whatever, you know, where it's Buddhism or whatever you believe in, having a belief in something and having a belief in your fellow man and, you know, helping each other out. You know, I think, you know, that that the power of the mind and your beliefs are so important. You know, Joe just vented written a few books about that, how you can literally change your health with the power of your thinking. You know, so many brilliant authors have written of this for hundreds of years about the power of the, of, you know, those who have faith, those who believe, say, think positive things, think and say positive words, you know, words and thoughts are extremely powerful. You know, I remind people, my patients of that all the time, yes, they want the cool new hormone or peptide or, you know, biohack or whatever, but it all starts with your habits, you know, and your, and starts with, you know, the inner world creates your outer world.

So how you think about yourself, if you want to lose weight, you want to get energy, start thinking about that, say, I am getting healthier, I am getting more energy every day, every day I'm gleaning out, I'm getting, I'm losing fat, I'm building muscle and just, and start with your, your beliefs and your thought processes. Their minds are so powerful and there's still so much we don't know about it, right? So I think it all starts there. I think the power of what you can do with your brain, your mind, your thoughts are massively powerful. And when you talk about, you know, look at the world of, you know, hypnotism and, you know, like we were talking about people who go to thought, you know, thought coaches, etc., you know, the business coaches, they talk about this all the time. So hugely important and it's a great place to start for most people.

TalkToMeGuy : I've been in rooms with 500 people that were in a deep meditative state, not on a regular, not on a regular enough basis. Yeah. And it is mind-altering in the best of ways. I believe it. Just to be with that many people who are all in that zone. And I'm certain in the world of heart rate variability, we'd all be in the same HRV, smooth, quiet, center zone. Yes.

And so it's phenomenal to just be able to do that. And some of those people in the room, in that room, I did not agree with. That's all I'll say about whatever. But, you know, but when we were in that moment, when we had that moment of Zen, so to speak, it was amazing. And I think we, and I think I will jump to say that I think that kindness is underrated. Just simple kindness.

That's all. You don't have to like throw your code in the puddle for, you know, somebody to walk across. I don't mean that.

I just mean opening a door, helping an old person with a bag of groceries, you know, whatever it is. Just we're all in the same game here, no matter what the variables may be. And kindness is so easy. It's free, give it away.

Dr Eric Fete: I agree 100%. I love that. And I'm the same way. Every day I try to like go start my day with, what can I do for somebody today? And it doesn't even have to be like a monetary gift.

I mean, if I can, great. But like you said, a kind word, a smile holding the door, you know, just something, you know, like yesterday, my wife and I were out and about. We just went to a wine or just had like a date day. And I was just walking through. I saw this lady sitting there and I just told her, I said, I smile. I said, I love your hair, by the way. And she did. She had amazing hair. You know, this middle aged black woman and she had beautiful hair.

And I said, you have amazing hair. And she's like, she's smile. She's lit up. She's like, thank you so much. I was like, you're very welcome. Have a good day. You know, just something, just something, you know, just, it doesn't have to be anything crazy. But I think again, that live to give messages, doing something for people every single day, every little bit, every little bit helps you know. Yeah. Yeah.

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Dr Eric Fete: I, not right now. I have the past, actually have a PMF device. I was using it for some time for sleep. I have one of those things. It's like that little, looks like a little ring magnet underneath, put it underneath your mattress. Oh yeah. And I've used it. And I'm sure there's, I've read some of the studies and I agree with you. I think there are a lot of benefits to it.

And I know there are. I just noticed for me, it didn't really change. I didn't feel like it affected my sleep too much in a good way. I've had some sleep issues off and on for some time. So I've tried all kinds of things for that.

So I'm sure it benefited me, but for the sleep aspect. So I don't use it every now and then I'm like, oh yeah, I forgot about the thing and I'll turn it on. But I have some patients and a lot of my colleagues use them all the time. And I've heard good positive responses from it. So which is a good thing.

TalkToMeGuy : And actually the doctor that introduced me to, she was an acupuncturist and she introduced me to PMF for my dog. And then she did some research and she was working with people with horses. And they have larger, obviously, PMF pads.

And they get a lot of benefits with particularly trained horses, meaning like running, racing horses. Okay. Her little high twitch to begin with, because it's go. And that's sort of like they're waiting for the go. And getting really amazing results and helping relax their lower back.

Nice. Wherever that fits in the spine. I think of the spine similar probably to the way you do.

But you know, to the lower back and to calm them down. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. So anytime I see results with animals, I pay attention because once again, they're smarter than we are.

Dr Eric Fete: Oh my gosh. Absolutely they are. I love what you mentioned earlier with your dog. I mean, I noticed that with my dogs too. It's like, you know, whenever there's a little patch of sun, you know, on the ground that they're gonna go lay in it. They know, that makes them feel good. And then they like how it feels on their body, et cetera. So their animals are intuitively very, very smart. So I agree with that.

TalkToMeGuy : Yeah. Now this is another, this is not exactly the lightning round, but it's another question. And they're hormones questions in here. What is the actual relationship between testosterone and prostate cancer? Cause boy, do I hear about that a lot.

Dr Eric Fete: Oh my gosh. I'm glad you brought that up. That's one of my, that peeps is that discussion. That is it. You know, the world of medicine is very slow to, it's a big ship. It's like the Titanic.

And it's very slow to change course, right? It takes a while for studies to come out and people to realize that something is good or something is bad. A lot of people hold onto old beliefs. There's a, what you call cognitive dissonance, you know, and where people will learn things and they have a hard time unlearning it when they're faced with new information that disproves what they learned. You know, it's, that's been going on for centuries.

I look at Copernicus and Galileo. It's like, you know, and so on and so forth. It's like, you know, people don't want to admit that something they've been learning doing all their time is wrong. You know, and the smart ones, the good ones will change the change of ways and realize, you know what?

I've been doing this, but that's, I see that this is the wrong thing. Look at fat, you know, for the longest time, you know, the low fat craze, right? And back in the 80s, right? And look how long it took us for to realize that, you know what? Fats are actually pretty healthy for us. They're good for us. Eggs are good. They're not evil.

You know, it took what, over 10 years or more for us to change. So same with hormones. A lot of doctors and, you know, even the lay people think that, oh my gosh, hormones are bad. They cause cancer and heart disease and all this, you know, that WHOI trial back in 2002 took women off hormones.

They've been on them for many, many, many years and they put the fear of God in them and made, they stopped them. Then we realized it was a bad study and they, when they reanalyzed it, everything was pretty much false. So same thing with prostate cancer. You know, the thought was, oh, you know, testosterone causes prostate cancer and you, someone gets prostate cancer and they put a monolith called androgen deprivation therapy and some of them get better, but after a while some of them don't. The fact that the short answer is no, it's false and actually testosterone, optimal testosterone will actually prevent or improve prostate cancer, right?

Shocking. You know, if you look at Abraham Morgantala, he's probably the world's preeminent neurologist out of Harvard and he's been talking about this for years. He's presented study after study after study. He finally just came out and said, testosterone does not cause prostate cancer. If anything, actually, there's actually a lot of neurologists who are actually giving men testosterone who have low grade prostate cancer and they're actually improving their health and improving their scores and making them better. Same with breast cancer. There's people treating breast cancer with testosterone, with progesterone, with estradiol.

So, and the studies, and it's not just these, these two random docs, there's a whole bunch of doctors doing this and with thousands of studies and there's a lot of clinical trials and studies out there backing this up. So, the bottom line is the original study looking at this was based on two patients and it wasn't even based on a PSA test or it was an older test that isn't even used anymore called the acid phosphatase test. And so it's basically, it wasn't even, the original premise was false to begin with, but if someone has low testosterone, if you give them testosterone, will the prostate cancer grow? It can up to a certain point, a very low level of testosterone, like 300.

It's called the saturation model. I won't get into the nitty gritty here, but basically above that, nothing's gonna happen. And if anything, like I said, higher levels, the men with prostate cancer, with lower levels of testosterone tend to do worse, have worse outcomes and more aggressive prostate cancer, whereas men with higher testosterone levels have better outcomes, less death, less morbidity, and a less aggressive prostate cancer. So, there's thousands of men walking around with prostate cancer on testosterone and they're doing great because we found out that the PSA test is not super accurate. A lot of men with, you know, quote unquote normal PSAs have a little prostate cancer lingering in their cells. Most guys are gonna get it at some point in your lives and there's hundreds of thousands of men on testosterone therapy and they're actually doing great, healthy.

And on the flip side, those that get held withheld or put on the standard deprivation therapy tend to do a lot worse. So, the short version is, testosterone does not cause prostate cancer, if anything, it helps it, it makes men better and healthier.

TalkToMeGuy : So, I'm just a hack herbalist, but I have to say this. It just seems to me that the idea of doing adrogen therapy is like taking a shotgun to put out a candle. Yes. Am I wrong there?

Dr Eric Fete: No, not at all, not at all.

TalkToMeGuy : You're asking me. Okay. It's just like, what? That just makes no sense to me that you would like obliterate the hormone system for a man. Correct, correct. You're gonna attempt to think that that's gonna benefit the prostate.

Dr Eric Fete: No, not at all. And you're gonna cause, you know, higher risks of heart disease, you know, adiposity, you know, fat accumulation, osteoporosis, you know, they're gonna feel absolutely horrible. And the quality of life is just absolutely deplorable. So, even if it did help the prostate, it's you're making them worse and you're actually gonna kill them faster because the number one killer of men in heart disease, way more than prostate cancer, same with women, and you're gonna make that worse. So, for me, I'd rather live longer and better, have a quality of life, you know what I mean? So, most men choose as well. So yeah, it's actually, you know, horrible. Okay, thank you.

TalkToMeGuy : And for younger men, who still might be hesitant about testosterone, are there alternatives that work better for maintaining fertility?

Dr Eric Fete: Yes, absolutely, absolutely. So, most of my young guys that come in, you know, definitely if they're under 40, I don't like to put them on testosterone because, you know, it's kind of like, you know, you're going too far too fast out of the gate and there's ways to prevent that and to keep your fertility. So, there's many other ways to optimize testosterone levels without using testosterone. So, with my young guys, oftentimes it might just be a simple lifestyle issue. It might be a one-time event that caused their levels to drop like a head injury or they're eating a horrible diet or they went through, they had surgery and then they got really stressed and they got a viral infection and their immune system took ahead of it, like we were talking about earlier. It could be an inciting event that we can correct or it might be a lifestyle factor, like, you know what, let's actually put you on a whole food diet.

Let's get you working out and exercise, get your sleep better and lo and behold, a lot of times that fixes it, right? But, you know, some guys are, you know, maybe they, they're so miserable, they're drive, their motivation is gone and they don't want to work out. They don't want to do anything no matter what and I think that will take care of it but oftentimes there's other options, like you said, to maintain their fertility without going into testosterone because I think that's a little bit premature.

I think we should try these other things first. Let's fix their lifestyle, fix that under underlying issues, any health issues, nutrition, nutrient deficiencies and oftentimes we could start with something else to boost their system, like something like a clomaphene or inclomaphene, which is a pill that will make your brain make more of a hormone that's going to stimulate your testicles to make more testosterone so it can boost your testosterone and maintain your fertility without the side effects of the testosterone on your fertility. Works very, very well, especially in younger guys. I have a lot of guys who did well. I did it myself for a time.

It worked great. HCG is an injectable medication that does the same thing through a different mechanism and that's also very used in a lot of men. A little harder to get now and a little more expensive but it works and then there's also other ways too. There's bioregulators. I use a lot of, whether we're at peptide therapy or a specific type of peptide is called bioregulators which can actually, they're really small chains of amino acids, almost like mini peptides that actually work on the DNA level to cause an effect and they're very specific for a tissue. So there's bioregulators for the thymus gland, for the thyroid, for the gonads, your testicles, your brain, your bones. So there's a couple of bioregulators specifically for the testicles. So you can give a short course of a bioregator and that might jumpstart their testosterone production. So that's a very easy, natural way to do as well.

So you do these things first and you go down a pathway, right? You try one, if that doesn't work, you try another. And if you've exhausted all your options, absolutely nothing is working. Then you can go to a chisotrex or a testosterone, it's something and then go ahead and treat it.

Now you know you try these things and they didn't work, but you don't know if you don't try and most of the time and the younger guys are gonna work just fine.

TalkToMeGuy : Would the bioregulators work for somebody, I have a friend who has air quotes Hashimoto's and I put air quotes around it because I'm suspicious of Hashimoto's as an actual thing. I just think it's a word. Right. But would the bioregulators work for somebody with a low thyroid?

Dr Eric Fete: It's very possible. I've never put anybody with Hashimoto's on a bioregulator myself, but I know some people that have and like I said, they are kind of newer although Dr. Cavanson out of Russia has been using it for years and decades. But so I think it would be worth a try.

It's not gonna hurt anything. Their natural products are just little small little chains of amino acids. They're only used short term, maybe a month for a few weeks or a month or so or a couple of times a year. I think there have been reports of it helping with thyroid conditions. There is a specific thyroid bioregulator, actually a couple of them. So I would certainly try it and see how she responds or he.

TalkToMeGuy : Okay. She, no, you're right. She and what are peptides? I just have to ask, what are they actually?

Dr Eric Fete: Great question. So peptides are basically a chain of amino acids, typically like 50 or less, sometimes smaller, sometimes bigger, usually smaller. Peptides are made in our bodies. They're naturally occurring products, right? Think of insulin as a peptide. Oxytocin is a peptide. The GLP, like everybody talks about the GLP medicines like semi-glutinous, Zempik, et cetera. Well, GLP is made in our body naturally. But what can be done is the pharmaceutical companies and figure out a way to augment these and make them last longer or make them work a little more effectively to be used therapeutically to exert an effect. But they basically function as signaling compounds. So similar to hormones, but a little different fashion where as they go in, they basically transmit signals to other tissues to do certain things. Like the GLP one will transmit a signal to the gut, right? To slow down the emptying process, to increase insulin production, to make the body more responsive and handle blood sugar better, et cetera.

So that's what they do. And because of that, they basically restore the body's normal function. So it's not like we're as like say testosterone or you take a blood pressure medicine or something or if you take too much, it can cause a really bad effect. I mean, too much is always not a good thing, but they're a lot safer with less side effects because they are more naturally occurring compounds and they basically signal. It's like they bring the body back to homeostasis. They're not gonna go excessively higher, excessively low on anything. So which just gives them their margin of safety.

TalkToMeGuy : Well, another of my favorite hashtags, well, it's too long for a hashtag is, I've always said that given the opportunity, the body will heal itself. Yes. And I think that, you know, that's why I'm excited by the idea of peptides. We could have spent a lot more time talking about peptides because I just think that's such a cool, you know, it's something that the body's already kind of knows what to do with. It's not like, and I'm a fan of herbs or supplements for that matter. But I mean, there are some things that we take that the body has to break down and do a bunch of stuff. It seems like the peptides have already keyed to the system, so to speak. So that they are more readily accepted and more like, and as you said, maybe just short term, they wrap the body go, oh, I remember that. I can do that again.

Dr Eric Fete: I agree 100% with getting the body to do its own thing. Absolutely. And obviously sometimes at some point, it may not like, for example, hormones, right? After, you know, a certain age or so many insults to the body may not be able to make enough and we have to give hormones therapeutically forever. But with peptides, yeah, absolutely. It can kind of restore the body to where it needs to be. And then since they act as signaling pathways, it can kind of jumpstart the body and make some long lasting changes so when you could actually stop them and let the body kind of carry on, you know, like the GLPs are a great example.

They kind of turn off that food noise in the brain and can help people to lose the weight. But if they change their lifestyle and get it on track, they can stop them and their circuitry in the brain, et cetera, is kind of rebooted and it kind of maintains what it learned from that peptide therapy. Like some of the immune systems that peptides like thymus and alpha one, thymulin, you know, then use forever and they're used in other countries, you know, for many, many years and tons of studies on them. It's just hard time to get, you know, hard time using them here because the FDA doesn't like that, right?

Big pharma, I should say, doesn't like that. So, but it's kind of like a balancing. It gives the immune system a balance. If it's revved up too high, it slows it down. If it's not enough, it ramps it up. It doesn't, it's not an immune booster, quote unquote. It doesn't do that.

It's a more of an immune system modulator, similar to an adaptogen, you know, similar like, you know, early, you're talking about herbs like herbal adaptogens like Ashwagandha, rhodiola, that's what they're, they kind of balance things out, raise it if it's low, bring it down if it's high, same thing with thymus and alpha and some of these other peptides, they modulate them to get the body to kind of back on track and then kind of let it do its thing and let the body heal itself. Like you said, I think that's great analogy.

TalkToMeGuy : Well, adaptogens, this will take us a couple of moments longer. Adaptogens are so powerful because the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the definition of an adaptogen is long-term beneficial effect.

Right. So for the years in the herb store, I would go in every day and I would make a traditional Chinese decoction where you take a handful of herbs, roots, berries, barks, all sorts of stuff. And you put them in a, in this case, a ceramic pot and you reduce that, you fill it with water and then you reduce that by 50%. Then you do that again and reduce it by 50%. You keep, you're making a strong decoction.

Gotcha. And I would drink that every day, which was a lot, but you know, hey, I was young and herbal. But the, you know, I think it gave me the foundation of the immune system that I have today, which is that, which is that of an ox. Yeah. Fantastic.

I'm, I'm, you know, pretty sturdy. But the idea of using adaptogens is, you know, women, men have genes saying women have donkai, very similar principles to both, but the long-term beneficial effect, which is a very different perspective from Western medicine, which is like, I'm taking a pill now for something. Right. Right. Versus the idea of an adaptogen is, I'm taking this today because in five years, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, or 20 years or whatever, that it sets us up. And it's a very different way of thinking, but you know, the idea of using something like thymulin sounds great, but as you said, I'm certain big farm is hunting people down right now that are producing thymulin going, no, you can't do that because that cuts into our profit center.

Dr Eric Fete: Yeah. We don't want people healthy. We want them sick and dependent on their pharmaceuticals forever and ever. So that's the business model.

TalkToMeGuy : Oh boy. All right. We will stop there because we could both, I'm certain throw out some good words on that one. I'm sure. I'm surprised to find we're at the time where I ask you, where would you like people to find out more about your work, getting connection with you and how they do work with you?

Dr Eric Fete: For sure. And thank you so much. You've been a gracious and very knowledgeable host. I appreciate it. I loved our conversation. And hopefully your listeners got something out of this. Happy to help if anybody wants to help with natural health, with like a bioidentical hormone therapy, which I only use, you know, bioidentical natural hormones, you know, peptide therapy, longevity, mitochondria health, et cetera.

That's kind of what I do. Health and performance optimization and muscle medicine, keeping our bodies healthy and strong so we can live a long, healthy life and live to give. So Dr. Eric Primex is my main website. It's d-r-e-r-i-c-p-r-i-m-e-x .com.

That's the easiest way to find me. I've got a lot of blogs, a ton of free content, free ebooks, a lot of freebies there. My own products are on there too.

My natural, my weight, weight proteins, et cetera. I'm pretty active on social. A lot of people, I've got a ton of free videos you can watch on YouTube. I just look up Dr. Eric Primex on YouTube. Instagram, Facebook, I'm pretty active as well. Same thing that Dr. Eric Fade or you just type in my name or Dr. Eric Primex, you'll find me there.

TalkToMeGuy : Excellent. Thank you. Yeah, I've got my own podcast, the Relentless Vitality podcast. And so a lot of stuff there if anybody wants to listen and I try to interview a lot of cool people like you and a lot of monologues just throwing stuff out there, just trying to teach and educate and have a little bit of fun along the way.

TalkToMeGuy : That's what it's about for me. I'm having a good time. I'm gonna get to talk to people like you. Right. I mean, what a cool thing. How cool is that?

Dr Eric Fete: I'm happy to have you on my podcast and we'll talk about herbs and all the other stuff.

TalkToMeGuy : Oh, happy to. Yes, happy to. Everybody have a great rest of the weekend and we'll see you next week. Bye-bye.