Mineral MAX AG: Revolutionizing Soil Health

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If you'd like to leave me a voice message with a question for a guest or a guest idea for a show, you can do that directly from the site and I will be notified. With that, Paul Gaylon is the founder and president of Herbal Products and Development. Paul's approach is truly comprehensive. He researches every raw material from its source, constantly updates his formulas when new research emerges and seamlessly integrates everything from sourcing to production to marketing. Paul's expertise extends beyond product development into restorative agriculture and organics, which led him naturally to Pacific plant nutrients. There he focuses on product formulation, concept development and groundbreaking research in both nutritional and agricultural applications. He's actively collaborating with regional universities on exciting projects involving algae research, nutrient synergy and the complex interactions between soil and plants. Whether he's revising formulas based on the latest scientific findings or collaborating with academic institutions on next generation agricultural solutions, Paul brings three decades of hands-on experience to every project. It's this combination of deep scientific knowledge, practical experience and commitment to sustainable practices that makes Paul such a valuable voice in the world of natural health and nutrition. Welcome Paul.

Paul Gaylon : Well, thank you Richard. I appreciate the intro. It was great.

TalkToMeGuy: Paul and I have known each other for I'll say decades. I have no idea how long but a lot you know pretty long time. And he is the biggest research dog I have ever known and I mean that's the best way possible that he is really serious about this and yet has a great time. It's an acknowledgement of I admire what you do. I think it's really cool.

You really are you you live who you are. It's not this is not an act. He's really passionate about these things. He really cares and he's a research dog.

He's always looking about learning and and figuring something new out or improving things. And I have to say of the many supplement formulas of his that I've taken, there are no fillers. There's no like oh I'm going to throw in some of that because it's make it you know look like something. You only put together formulas that have a complete action. I mean you know there are formulas and I see that in when I was studying for the show about mineral backs ag. It's the same here where you you're we'll find out about this but it's an amazing combination and now you're doing this for the planet. Not that the formulas weren't doing it for the planet but now it's really doing it for the planet. I didn't have there's no question there yet. So mineral max ag contains more than just algae. It contains humates kelp volcanic minerals. Why combine all these ingredients?

Paul Gaylon : Well mineral max as the name implies is minerals especially. Now what it does is it's it's combining the blue-green algae from the Klamath Lake which is chiloquine is where this is harvested with a phobic and humic. They're called humates all the different kinds of phobics and humates humic acids and then we also use kelp. We use a foliar grade from Iceland because it absorbs rapidly and we use azomite which is a volcanic uplift from Utah. It gets other kinds of minerals as well and of course the lake bed is from basalt. It's in the Klamath Lake from the eruption of Mount Mazuma from the near crater lake.

It had filled in a lot of the lake and that's a dissolving phenomenon that has been occurring for years with that lake. The other one is the carbon from coconut shells that comes from Sri Lanka and that's round through a fine powder and then from that we render it into a homogenizer or a shear for several hours at a certain temperature below the threshold for enzyme where enzymes stay active and that's how we make it and so it's a liquid and it's a concentrate so you're only using about an ounce and a half per gallon of it. So a gallon is going to last you nearly 100 gallons you know just so but it's all kinds of minerals that are from these different sources and they seem to be more and I'll get into that later more to stimulate this soil biology.

TalkToMeGuy: And can this be, this is I was going to say this for later but it occurs to me now, can this be used not only in adding it to the earth around the plants but it could also be applied topically, fully early?

Paul Gaylon : Yeah the thing is is that this tends to have several aspects to it that I call them intrinsic factors and of course the website's very thorough so it discusses all these concepts I'm bringing up now. It basically holds the soil which are the humic and fulvic components and the carbon which you know as biochar as many of you know has a lot of porous surfaces so a lot of the cilia and the earthworms and the different kind of organisms can nematodes can live in that as well as all of the soil biology so it's working with that but it's also working with the rhizobacteria and the rhizophungus which is creating the mycelia, the roots that spread through the mycorrhizal into the soil which helps it mine the materials to bring them up to the surface so what you're getting is a lot of capillary action through the roots as they're bringing down the carbons and the sugars into the soil for the soil you know there's always nature involves an exchange so as you're bringing up those nutrients from the soil that are mined the phosphorus a little bit of the potassium and trace minerals they're coming back up so there's sort of an interchange so you're getting an expansion of the roots because the nourishment is going back and forth from them and then that's creating a wider girth or a structure outward which creates high silicas and high nutrient minerals so that the plant can then grow upright

TalkToMeGuy: and have you ever done an experiment where you let's say you have a planter box and or a bed and you supplement one half the bed with mineral max ag and not the other half and because I just have the feeling that plants would be attracted to the soil that has this in it I know that's not an esoteric thought but it just seems like

Paul Gaylon : it right well the the testimonials there's about 60 of them show that the and and some of them were randomized a little bit where they would fertilize something and not the other and then you know alternate a few plants here and there and what we saw was you know quite a bit of difference of growth even within a very small area where they were somewhere fertilized and somewhere and although you know there is nutrient transfer going on in the subsoil as well so it's you know unless you separate them by a long way there'll be a little bit of nutrients getting into even the ones that aren't fertilized so but but see the the interesting thing is you're getting the beside the humates and the intrinsic factors of the the home which it's creating it's expanding the what you'd call the the compost into the subsoil which is the rhizosphere called the rhizosphere so it's it's expanding the line of the compost it's expanding compost obviously you want to use as good a compost as you possibly can for your plants and depending on your soil depth and how often you you know disturb it which is the best thing is not to disturb it very much and just keep layering it and and adding more nutrients to it so it develops a healthier soil biology so that's one of the key points the the the um uh the kelp and the blue-green algae though are interesting because they're sort of providing all the natural growth hormones just intrinsically and that and they also have all the assimilable um amino acids and uh the protein so there's uh so that's um in conjunction with the holding capacity of the um uh of the um phobic humic and and the carbons you know from the uh the um coconut shells and that obviously is sequestering carbon because it's bringing it back into the soil i mean you know people always talk about sequestering carbon well it's as simple as growing more plants i mean that's really it's much too simple obvious way to create carbon yeah

TalkToMeGuy: and i'm gonna back up for a moment and talk about what is the rhizosphere which sounds something like from a star trek episode

Paul Gaylon : so the rhizosphere is pretty exciting I've been i got very sidetracked into that in many ways i started reading a lot of the research papers out of fujan china and and Indonesia and India and by and also about the azola fern which was something i really found fascinating it's it's um it's a lot like the duckweed and you know they had a lot of uh stories about how the rice fields with a particular type of an algae and it was an anabena species it was a different one than the flas afana zamazan uh aqua which is what's in the Klamath lake uh but this was a different species and it found that the the yield of the rice crops you know throughout the world a lot of southeast asia you know even china japan uh india indonesia all all of those areas bali uh were showing that uh the application of um azola or even you know other species with that was creating any the algae there was an interaction with the with the algaes as well uh was creating a lot uh uh exponential growth and so that was documented and you'll see it some of the um some of that on the website you'll find that so the rhizosphere is where you're linking the soil from the the line of your your compost and going down from the roots in other words when you water the water's not just going into the plant it's going obviously into the soil and then it's sucking back up so what you're you're doing is you're bringing all that into where you have uh the capacity of soil biology like how how deep that does that go and oddly enough some of the paradoxical things are that even with shallow soil even even um uh like um you know where you well you can have raised beds or uh even um just where you have just done you know irrigation like um uh hydroponic situation there's still a lot of uptake of nutrients which i think is very surprisingly the amount that it actually is growing well in hydroponic situation because that's um defying logic a little bit because there's not much quote soil but but it is uh amassing and assimilating the nutrients it's in the water medium too so um but the rhizosphere is the layer right below the the soil right right below it and you know going down a certain depth but generally you know up to about eight inches is kind of going down into the soil and then you know the roots go deep and deep from there but it's the way the um the biological activity of especially the the fungal mycelia colonize back to the the roots that come from the plant into the soil and so they have subroutes called hyphae where they go into the back into the um uh the original roots coming down so that's that way your your capillary action is uh uh swelling out the uh cap through through the uh through root mass it's it's swelling it out so the nutrient transfers increase that's why the girth picks up so deep deeply from the from the plant that can

TalkToMeGuy: i think can i think of rhizosphere kind of is the microbiome

Paul Gaylon : it is yeah in a way it is because it's it's it's where it's colonizing and it's going below the uh the root level so there would be an analogy of that that it would be like them going into the microbiome of the soil right to uh to mine the nutrients uh and that's the interesting thing this is in a high npk nitrogen potassium phosphorus material it has that in it of course but what it really is about is that the um the plant um uh is using the soil to uptake nutrients and uh you know i know that's a stretch for some people to understand that but it's not about the npk ratio that's an artificial constraint and that also is one of the problems of the runoff and all of the uh problems you know with the uh with the soil is the um it's not holding into the soil that's the whole point is is to hold the soil and to give it a lot of um biological activity so that the plant and the mycelia excuse me can then mine the nutrients they can mine the soluble phosphorus they can bring that up in through the roots back to the plant as it's needed um the the nitrogen would be in an ammonia form that they bring up also they can extract it from the air because they're uh the nodes sometimes when they do cover crop the nodes of the plant will attract the um uh the nitrogen from the air and then there's that biological transmutation that occurs at that point so that's another way of getting nitrogen but it's it's relying on it it's it's kind of like when i were formulating um instead of vitamin c i use berry extracts and the reason being is that you're getting the vitamin c in a certain amount but what you're getting is your flavonoids you know your your other nutrients and so in this case the analogy is you're getting all of the other attributes and the other aspects of the of the uh soil and the plant and what it'll give you and you're unlocking a lot of that nutrient possibility

TalkToMeGuy: well it seems to me it's more of a full spectrum concept rather than a high NPK fertilizer just a regular fertilizer which is here's this big bump here's a bunch of nitrogen go for it and then the right and there's no other intrinsic factors around that it's just like go for the nitrogen this is

Paul Gaylon : right that's the thing and when you have high saturations of all of that uh you know it just it in the range it just runs off and that this is a water conserving means as well of watering because you're getting um the activity of the plant uh holding the nutrients that's what the vulvic and humic and carbon do they they act like a berm so that the nutrients that are in front of that stay in the soil and then the work of the soil is such that it brings it forth back into the roots so the exponential growth of the roots is incredibly uh increased by this activity and that's what um you know it's allowing those channels to to be open to pulling in more pulling down more nutrients and the sugars and bringing back the minerals that the plant needs and of course the aside the minerals it like I said it's bringing in the phosphorus then nitrogen and then some potassium and of course there's high potassium and um sea kelp obviously that's a legendary uh source of potassium and you have blue green algae as well as rich and virtually everything so it's the holding capacity and the nutrients that it keeps as opposed to applying it over and over onto it because it's managing to utilize it more efficiently

TalkToMeGuy: and so you're actually increasing the vitality of the things that are growing in soil treated or nutrified with this product

Paul Gaylon : right well it's based on a lot of the work of Dr. Elaine Ingram and people who had the uh you'll see on the website there's a lot of people who have found that these concepts in soil biology of course uh John Kemp and eco agriculture and others I mean there's there's a lot of um great stuff we have as videos on the website there's about 150 of them so it's an educational resource into the world of soil biology and into the world of restorative agriculture and you know it's a tribute to that as well so that the website has a lot of uh links and I wrote a lot of the articles but it has a lot of links that are just incredible at what you can learn about the uh these kind of topics and you know 100 with 150 links like that that's this is like a four-year class in understanding soil biology this website Pacificplantnutrients.com

TalkToMeGuy: yeah and I will put in the show notes for example one of the articles was one about teaming with microbes

Paul Gaylon : oh yeah yeah low in the

TalkToMeGuy: bryzosphere and that's you know there's just it's an in that once again you're possessed in the best of ways because it is just loaded with great information that's consumable by regular folk you don't have to be an ag specialist just reading it gives you an idea of oh you know we could use less water in our crops if we use something like this to make the soil whole water better.

Paul Gaylon : Well exactly that's why I keep urging people to look at the website it's all there and in the teaming with microbes it defines sometimes I would take a whole book and I would consolidate it no page or two you know because people don't read that much anymore so it was easy and that way I had topics like rhizosphere the soil food web micro-rhizal so that they could understand in a you know in a paragraph what all that was about and and really highlighted and that was one of the values of that book by Jeff Loewenfeldts and Wayne Lewis teaming with microbes was just to outline that and of course obviously it's great if people would read the book but I wanted to just simplify it enough to that's why it says inspired by the book.

TalkToMeGuy: Yes yeah no it's very good there's a bunch I read a bunch of articles I didn't mean to I didn't mean to but they're really you know you've you've put them down into a couple pages of easily consumable information

Paul Gaylon : and it's really yeah it's a it's a fantastic rabbit hole I mean I got off into different areas when I was starting to write the website that just you know and I said wow what happened it was like four hours later I thought oh my god where am I is it you know it's

TalkToMeGuy: like yeah there's another article there that's really great as well there's a bunch but this is another of my favorites is astonishing and magnificent algae.

Paul Gaylon : Yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah that's William Barry he researched a lot of the lake ecology of the blue green algae and this is what he came up with and he was an early pioneer of really understanding the lake ecology and what what that had to offer and really really understood the blue green algae the whole phenomenon of it and of course that's become a or was a food as well as we're using obviously the quote byproduct for agriculture which is meaning that you're not wasting anything we're utilizing the whole whole thing and then the way it's processed and and made and you know the the area was interesting because even the soil up there was around the lake was when the old sawmills were saturated in algae 25 years so you can imagine some of the soil that's under around the lake is is is like a super soil as well

TalkToMeGuy: and why the lake that he's referring to is Shasta Lake.

Paul Gaylon : This is more a Klamath lake and then there's the northern part is called Chilokwin so it's connected like through that and like I said the the basalt from the mount Mount Mazuma eruption toward Crater Lake had filled in a lot of the the lake with the basalt so it it has about a pH of nine so it's a very alkaline kind of water in in the lake so there's different um pHs and that's been a whole field of study is the the the whole lake ecology there.

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah and then we jump slightly I don't our algae and kelp related in any way they seem like they are but it's maybe

Paul Gaylon : just because it was more and kelp is more of a sea plant okay you know and when you call algae you know they're like spirulina and chlorella and um blue green is algae blue green is actually an interesting one it's a little metamorphic between a plant and an animal it has kind of different characteristics it's it they're kind of all unique in themselves but you know of course spirulina and chlorella are a little different than that too they're they're more traditional algae and um they're all kind of self-sufficient cells is how they're uh composed and they have like a gelatinous sheath on them uh so they're um they build they build cellulite around themselves like uh for the cell walls

Speaker 3: they you

Paul Gaylon : know they have their own physiological uh makeup that they uh have managed to survive and if you think that blue green algae has survived for three billion years and many plants are in the millions but three billion so what I contend with with this soil geology is that uh I feel that there has been a lot of interaction between uh plants over the eons for example the interaction between kelp and blue green algae has meant that they have coexisted and have worked together for so long that um they they formed a synergy also the temperatures and and the uh the different times of different ways that the climate has changed in the sense of uh both heating and cooling like for example the azolla ferns uh can uh you know a certain amount of years ago were predominant in the greenland area and up there which was a tropical area a certain amount of years ago and then uh as that froze that area over like a million years of time they had migrated down uh from that into a more temperate and then into a tropical setting so a lot there's been a lot of flux on the planet uh both with um temperature when you think that greenland was tropical that's pretty fascinating

TalkToMeGuy: and why the why kelp from finland in this formula why specifically the finnish kelp

Paul Gaylon : the kelp itself oh kelp has got a tremendous amount of potassium inside of it and it uh it provides um uh it's been widely accepted throughout agriculture as being you know one of the greatest uh amendments people have put it on their soil for centuries um uh in the fields you know they've harvested from coastal areas and just rinsed washed it off maybe or rinsed desalinated to some degree and then basically mulched their crops with kelps so kelp has so been widely used for a long time and again like the blue green algae it has its own growth hormones its own amino acids its own high mineral content and it has a lot of b vitamins too so the nutrient um uh nutrient capacity of sea plants and kelps are phenomenal and this was the eschiffylum nobdosum species but you know the there's uh the laminaries which are the highest iodine sources there's uh lots of other types of kelps as well but the um this is the one that we're using but uh and then locally you'll find that you'll find the bullwhip kelp in throughout california you'll find uh you know all sorts of others there's a lot of um kelps of course well all over the world but uh there's uh they're harvesting kelp virtually everywhere and uh it's one of the uh highest bang for the buck of any nutrient uh there there is it's a phenomenal uh raw material for agriculture

TalkToMeGuy: well i think its mineral blend must be amazing because it's living in water it's living in vital well hopefully vital um i suspect that's partially why you want to finish uh kelp is because it's probably a cleaner product possibly than pacific

Paul Gaylon : coast right it's well they this spullier grade from iceland is really great because it assimilates rapidly and we're shearing it anyway after after all that's anyway so what we're trying to do is get the finest material uh homogenization process going so it can go through drip irrigation so that it could go through emitters sprayers and we have write-ups on the uh the fax panel which asks questions and answers them and those are ways of uh expressing you know ways of watering for example ways of you know all kinds of things it would be uh pertinent questions to ask and it's found there so we tried to put the website into a certain logic where it's very user friendly all the buttons at the top of it are clearly laid out of what it is the fonts are good

TalkToMeGuy: and it's really easy to navigate easy to read easy to read easy to navigate i suggest having a beverage if you're going to click on the articles page because it just that's what happened to me the other night i was like reading on my fifth article and i'm like no wait i'm here studying i can't do this now

Paul Gaylon : why is it you'll get an expert on this stuff i mean the the the phenomenal thing is the writers of these articles and the and the links i mean especially the links it's unbelievable some of the uh this stuff that i find that validates not only the raw materials are in here but there's such great um uh you know videos they're they're incredible and uh you know i just think wow this is you know fascinating that somebody came up with these and you know it used to be you could do more searches that specifically answered what you looked for and you know these days uh it's more and more difficult but i tried to link all the kinds of information that not only validated all the raw materials in here but would validate the whole field of of the soil biology and uh there's some just amazing stuff that people have published and put out there just for people to use and i i'm really grateful for that

TalkToMeGuy: one of the great thing you did also is the articles that you you read the book and then you give me the cliff note

Paul Gaylon : nd not just sustaining but you're restoring the whole soil around you and the plants.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, for me, I live in wine country. Before I lived in Santa Rosa, I lived in the middle of wine country in Sonoma. I just think having seen, and I've talked a lot about this because my favorite hashtag is total toxic load. At the dawn's early light, when the grape vines are just beginning to bud, they're out there in their hazmat suits in the tractors. Pre-dawn theory is that that's when the winds are less. I think it's because they don't want to scare the tourists, so they have them do it while it's dark. They're spraying the vines with some sort of thing to keep them from getting moldy or something.

Paul Gaylon : And I think it's probably an anti-sungle.

Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, the problem is that I think the vines are immunosuppressed. And I think that they need all that to support themselves. Whereas if they had something like mineral max ag given to them, they'd be like, look at us. We're vital. We're fine.

We don't need that stuff. I think because, and it's not because they've been doing the same crops for years and years and years, that could be. But I just think that all the vines are very immunosuppressed. And you're, go ahead.

Paul Gaylon : Yeah, you're correct. I mean, it is. And the more resilience and resistance that the plants have, the better they're going to thrive. Now, you have this going on year after year, so you're continuing to have to spend a lot of money to create, keep continuing this process. Because once you start whatever you're doing, you obviously have to continue through. Again, everybody's got their own challenges and their own ways they do things. But it kind of would be a good way if some, if people could actually meet and try to reason about other options and other possibilities.

And it's difficult though, because people want to do something that they're familiar with and they know. And that quote works for them. But again, that's the method they've chosen. Now, they would either have to start other sections and do them differently or transition from those, from that into something else. But, you know, sometimes it has to be gradual because if it's abrupt, the vines are probably used to that.

And being that they're, like you're saying, somewhat immunosuppressed, they've not, they've abjugated to having the fungicide being a part of its routine as opposed to the other natural methods, which longer term, maybe, you know, again, there's financial considerations. There's a lot of complexity to it. You know, I'm not advocating one thing or another. I'm just saying considering options and considering possibilities is would be great to bring to the table to wine growers. I mean, you know, part of it is you can give people samples, they can see the results, and they still won't want to try it anymore because then they've got to buy it. But we're already using this and whatever they're using.

TalkToMeGuy: It's been working for years. It's fine. Yeah.

Paul Gaylon : Yeah. So, you know, mindset is very difficult to make inroads to if people have mindsets to something without examining information and, you know, what you see. I mean, if you see results, you know, it's not about putting all this information together. It's actually when I give somebody a sample of it or use it. They won't, I mean, often they won't even use it until I ask them a couple of times, and then maybe they'll use it and they'll say to me, oh, I got great results.

Thanks for the sample. I mean, you know, it's hard to, I mean, you know, I'm not really one that likes to solicit, and I'm more of a person who wants to present the information and I hope people are proactive enough to make their own decisions. But society's changed a lot and this isn't the way things work anymore, I guess.

TalkToMeGuy: I guess. I don't know. It's a personal pet peeve for me having grown up around the Silinus Valley driving up a knee. And I remember all the decades of seeing that and I for a long time didn't know what it was, but they would run large plastic rows on crop, you know, before they planted anything, they'd put down these big plastic tubes in years. And then years later, what I realized what they were doing, because then they would eventually plant strawberries, but the reason they put the plastic tube down over the earth is because they then gassed that earth with methyl bromide. And methyl bromide kills everything.

Paul Gaylon : And so you're getting it constantly recycled.

TalkToMeGuy: Right. And so they had to do that because the strawberries that they were about to plant were so immunologically stressed, they could compete with nothing. So they had to have completely neutral soil rather than growing a crop that's healthy and strong and vital.

They would plant these same genetically altered, you know, put the perfect strawberry out, not necessarily the best tasting, just the perfect looking strawberry. Right. Right. And I watched them do that for decades driving up and down the Silinus Valley.

It's now illegal. Right. So whereas the idea of using something like this from the beginning, you're producing a beautiful product that I suspect is an old thing about the ORAC rating, which I always forget what that stands for, but it's the vitality of something.

Paul Gaylon : The ORAC, yeah. The ORAC is usually often tested with grapes and sweet fruits, and it shows the amounts of sugars in them, the actual natural sugars.

TalkToMeGuy: And so the idea of using this, you know, using your mineral max egg instead of that, in the long haul, it's going to cost them less, and it's going to produce a product that is better, more vital, prettier, and consumers are going to like it more. I'm not pitching the product, but I'm just saying it just makes so much sense. Maybe that's the problem. It just makes so much sense.

Paul Gaylon : It makes a lot of sense. Well, the other thing is they can, obviously, everyone should get the best possible soil you can and compost. You know, obviously, that's a given. And the next thing is, sure, they can use a little fish emulsion or that, but once you start going into more of a chemicalized versions of the phosphorus, especially in certain nitrogens, you know, you're getting things that are not working in the soil biology. They're not working properly, so there's nowhere for them to go, except, you know, into runoff. But if you, I mean, fish emulsion, even at least you're getting the benefit of something that's decomposing, and they're, you know, they're getting a lot of holding capacity of anything natural, you're at least getting something that the plant and the soil are both utilizing, and they're linked to that way. So anything of a natural method will do that. And again, we're crossing the line between natural and chemical.

And I don't know, it's leaking over. So, yes, you know, if you're absolutely looking for the NPK, you can create it. And that, but that's not what we're doing, and that's not what we're about. We're, you know, so that's why it's mineral max is it's all about the minerals. And again, you're getting all of the others intrinsically.

That's the point of what this is about, the, the, the holding capacity and the intrinsic. We almost reverse engineered it because we saw the results of it over and over. And then I built up the literature to reflect that because, you know, we saw the results. I mean, that, that's the interesting thing about how it was developed.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, and I'm jumping, but it's, it's in the same family of things, because I was thinking about a variety of crops that I thought would, I mean, all crops would benefit from using this. Definitely. Whether you're a, whether you're a home farmer or a agriculturalist. Exactly. I was thinking about how could it change or affect or I'll use the word benefit, the cannabis industry.

Paul Gaylon : Oh, geez. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

TalkToMeGuy: If they, I mean, that's an interesting industry too, because they can, you know, some go natural and some don't. I mean, you know, and I have a friend that used to select that taste in the final product, whether it's a fruit, whether it's a bud, whether it's a vegetable, whatever it is, you know, it's going to have that flavor of what was given to the plant and what it got from the rain and the sun and the nutrients that were in the soil or, or wherever they came from. And it reflects that. So there's, cause and effect here and that cannot be denied. Yeah.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, and I have a friend who used to sell products to the cannabis industry and it, we used to talk about it and it's just, it's become an industry. Oh, yeah. I mean, it always has been an industry, but it was more like, I'll meet you under the stoplight at midnight, you know, and blah, blah, bring cash. And now it's guys in suits or women in suits running massive businesses that are all about how many thousands of pounds they can produce a week.

Yeah. It's a commodity. It's a commodity. Whereas I still know people who are like, you know, out in a field somewhere in the woods, doing it in natural settings with mountain water and, you know, doing the best they possibly can. But just the right way, if the industry side that people with thousands of greenhouses, it amazes me how many grows there are in like the Salinas Valley or just in Watsonville alone, how many grows there are that are like closed loop greenhouses. And again, part of the reason that they're closed loop is because in my view, the cannabis is so stressed out that it's immunosuppressed and it's sensitive and it's delicate and the crop can have this or the crop could have that. Whereas if you were growing crops, this is a question, I just can't make it a question. If you were growing this cannabis, even in the greenhouse, using mineral-bac's ag, wouldn't you be producing a healthier crop with less likelihood of like, oh my God, we got black spot, I'm making up things. It seems like it would produce a stronger, healthier, more vital product and therefore possibly a better product to the end user.

Paul Gaylon : Right, exactly. And that would be indicative of the flavor as well. See, the flavor would definitely come out and because of the properties of the material. I mean, there's a garbage in, garbage out, or nutrients in, nutrients out. It's a direct correlation between the two. And cannabis is a grass in a way and a weed and literally like weed is what it was called. So it's, it literally thrives. So giving it this nudge and this nutrient definitely helps it.

It doesn't need, the other stuff is just kind of constrained on it. And that's that's what they decide to do. But I don't know. I mean, this is, they're trying to create that like it's a science. But yeah, I mean, you could make a case for anything. But yeah, I'm working on a principle of natural components as much as possible. And that's basically what I'm trying to do both in nutrition, agriculture, you know, whatever, you know, I'm just trying to do as one individual what I can possibly do. And that's the personal responsibility. And, and formulation is a big part of that because it would be something I would use too.

That's the point of it. I mean, what I use is the the excess of when I make my herbs, I press them, and then I fertilize the ground with that too, you know, you could use all kinds of things.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, the idea of having lived an early part of my life on the Monterey Peninsula, you know, I just think of all the golf courses. Oh, yeah, instead of using the most used bad word, stuff that they spray on golf courses, again, usually at the early light of morning, so people don't see.

Paul Gaylon : Oh, yeah. Yeah. But we have a picture, Richard, of the of the grasses. And in a couple of days, there was a dramatic difference of two set, you know, two pictures on the web.

TalkToMeGuy: That's a great that's a great segment. I'll put that in the link in the show notes too. Just the testimonials page of people's testimonials are pretty good.

Paul Gaylon : I mean, they're what will give us and they're surprising sometimes. But they're they're true. I mean, and their pictures that show it. But, you know, that, you know, I mean, I wish I could get more of them. I mean, people promise testimonials all the time, or at least study or something to give you information and, you know, with a picture, you know, so you can show what it was before what it is after.

And, you know, I'm trying to do a lot of kind of get even institutions or people to do more testing. I've asked people who grow, let's say oak trees or even nurseries or fir and fir trees or all kinds to put it in the drip line to get pistachio developers to put it in the drip line. So it goes right into the soil there. And it's not like you need to water it twice a week or something.

You can water it every so often. And it's still going to be accumulating in that area, just like as if you compost under the soil that way, you know, it's adding those nutrients that's extending the compost line.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, and again, it seems to me that it would improve, let's say, lemon orchards, Meyer lemons, favorite, that if they were had this in drip lines under that, that ultimately they're going to, it might take a couple of years for them to notice, but it seems, yes, there's going to be increased vitality to the plants faster basis. They're going to probably look shinier and better, but slowly as they neutrify the soil, the soils become more vital. The crop is going to probably be more productive, but it's not going to happen overnight. But over time, it's going to improve. And they're going to be able to use less water here in California for good reasons.

Paul Gaylon : Right. You're using less water because the plant is becoming the drip irrigation system in a way because it's increasing the viability of the soil and it's reusing those same nutrients of the water to activate the plant. So the water use is much more exponential.

You're getting a high efficiency rating because you're utilizing your nutrients correctly and the plant's thriving from that. And there's a lot of great examples of that in all those, you know, there's so many good podcasts and whatnot to explain that as well. But this is a major point. Is it that that's why there's so much less water needed when you have these kind of bioneutrient stimulants as they're called, I call them a k a fertilizer, but that's what they are. They're bioneutrient stimulants. And that's what they're creating that stimulating effect to the plant. And they're giving it that strength and girth to grow upward as it simulates into the soil and then it grows upward. So it's it's it's definitely, you know, integral and linked to that process.

TalkToMeGuy: This seems to me like a perfect product for the, I don't know what this industry's called yet, but it's becoming, and it's an it is an industry, but it's becoming more so where you take a shipping container and convert it into a growing container.

Paul Gaylon : Right, right.

TalkToMeGuy: And those could be sent to other countries too. Yeah. And it just seems like, well, I know some people that have looked at, I know some people that have looked at putting them like we have a grocery store here called Oliver's. And there are shopping centers and they could be growing one or two of their own produce is on the back lot with absolutely and using this is the is the food to those plants. Just seems like you would improve the vitality of those plants. So it's poor containerized plants. I like plants that get to grow outdoors that I want to eat.

Paul Gaylon : Oh, absolutely. And you know, the health of them is, you know, incredible. I mean, just whatever microclimate you have, you utilize to the best of your ability. I mean, we we have where I am is what I call it a temperate. I have like a temperate jungle. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Just thrive and you know, whether they're native plants or planted them. I mean, I've nativeized the the Pepino Melon from Mexico, the Goldenbury, you know, there's there's Mountain Papayas from Guatemala. They they establish well in California. And and the other thing is that they they grow very, very good here. I mean, you know, you're getting a lot of sun because there's redwoods in the backyard. But you know, they it's nice to see the growth. I mean, when you when you have the opportunity of a lot of sun and characteristics, you're getting, you know, I mean, you know, you're getting an optimal, you know, more of an optimal characteristic of growing. Right.

I have a lot of foliage, but you know, I I don't have crops and, you know, that area, I have more of a topography of teres, chilcide, that kind of thing.

TalkToMeGuy: And I don't know why this is popping into my head. We're moving toward the end. We're not there yet. And I'm okay if we go a little long. There was an article about rice crops. Right. Seeing an effect from this. Would you talk about that because rice is I mean, it's everybody's eating rice.

Paul Gaylon : Well, that was what really caught my attention first. And on the homepage, I put the the the two quotes from song at all, you know, the bio biodiversity and the seasonal about the cyanobacteria assemblage of the rice paddy field in Fujian, China. And it said that that played a vital role of building up the soil fertility, fertility, consequently increasing rice, rice growth and yield as a natural bio fertilizer. Now this was years ago that this was discovered and written about. And it talked about the blue green algae with this journal tropical agriculture on this is on the homepage, both of these, that it was a nitrogen fixing phosphate, soluble icing and plant growth microorganisms.

So these two quotes that I have are from articles in the in the in this section of links and and articles so people can find them there too. You know, this was occurring all throughout. I think I talked about that at the beginning all throughout Indonesia and Asia and India and all over was that the rice crops were were always improved by putting these kinds of algae or blue green algae on the plant and it as a quote nutrient mulch and that always increased the yields for the plants for the rice. So this was been done traditionally all over that part of the world for quite a long time now.

TalkToMeGuy: And rice crops are water intensive. I mean, they're mostly they grow in soil, but they're in water. Is that correct?

Paul Gaylon : They're in water. They're planted in water. You know, and they're they're like little sheets and starts are pushed pushed into the muck, the mud, but see what happens is that if it's even if there's any drying out, this is adding like a mulch to it. So it's not only giving it the nutrification, but it's holding the soil and holding the water in so you're getting the high nutrients with the stimulating of the soil as well. So you're holding the nutrients and you're creating a higher soil uptake, you know, a higher nutrient uptake back into the plant.

TalkToMeGuy: And once again, here in California, we grow a lot of rice, which is always surprising. People don't think of that.

Paul Gaylon : But yeah, well, maybe the Lundbergs would be willing to try this. They have a nice operation there in Northern California.

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah, I mean, I wish I could outreach to everyone, but you know,

Paul Gaylon : any bit of your listeners, if you know anybody with farms or even gardeners or, you know, try it, you know, just experiment, see for yourself. This is really what it's about. I mean, I could talk about it for days, but it's really about using it. And everybody will have their own unique experience. And I believe you, you can see for yourself what it will really do.

TalkToMeGuy: Well, I think of all the people I know that have, you know, maybe a half dozen orchids or more. Some people I know have a full table, you know, they have a brightly lit, you know, window and they put their orchids in that window. And I think just them alone, the people that I know that are growing orchids at home should be soaking their plants in this.

Paul Gaylon : Oh, absolutely. We have two testimonials of orchids on their website that show they were literally dead. And the application of this brought them back and the plants are thriving now. I mean, they're huge. And they were literally thrown out dead and white flies.

And I mean, they were, they were toast, but they came back. So that's the interesting thing. It's a lot of stuff of, especially orchids. I mean, antherioms are another one that thrived with this too. But all of them, I mean, irises, you know, each one will definitely do better. And some need less, you know, and then again, when you have trees, you could do a nutrient bath once a month or once every two months. And it's still transferring throughout the soil. You're still getting that nutrient uptake. So, you know, that that's another whole aspect of it as well. You know, is that it still stays in the soil. Right.

TalkToMeGuy: And I have somebody in chat asking about putting it in their hydroponic garden. They have a lettuce growing hydroponic plantar. Is the dilution the same, one ounce per gallon?

Paul Gaylon : Yeah, it's about one and a half is what I usually recommend. That's the paradoxical thing about hydroponics is that we are seeing it working there pretty well, but it's not really what you'd call soil biology because it's in a water and aqueous medium. So, it's a little different. But nevertheless, those nutrients are used. I mean, I know people who grow mushrooms that use a little bit of it, and they're happy with the results too, you know, like culinary mushrooms. So people are using it a lot of ways that I go, oh, that's interesting, really, that's good, you know.

And that's what I mean, you're still finding out the knowledge and the research that people are doing and everything, whether it's a testimony or whether it's a scientific experiment or whether it's a university or whatever it is, it's all cumulative knowledge. I mean, if there was a university that was serious about doing some agriculture and really teaching some students, why not have them set up a lab and have a few people trying different fertilizers and having a faculty advisor on hand to do it? I mean, I could devise the whole curriculum. It's not that difficult, but they could have a sustainable project for years with three or four people, somebody to keep data and somebody to farm it, obviously, and advisor. It's not that hard to do, but universities are a big business. One of the things, maybe the junior colleges are a little more open, I don't know. Yeah.

TalkToMeGuy: And a question from the hydroponic comes to mind, could you use this, I used to see them at Bioneers, these setups where it was an aquaponics where you'd have the fish tank with the fish pulling into the water, and then they take that water and then feed that into the hydroponic part. So you had fish growing, and then you would take that water and run it through to the hydroponic part. Could you use this in that mix, in other words, could you use this as a nutrient in a fish tank, that kind of aquaponics?

Paul Gaylon : That I'm not, I don't know, but I think it could be just, there could be a little testing done just to see how it does. It's very rich, and there are fish living in the Glamath Lake, and these are nutrients. It depends, I guess, on the concentration of it. Okay. Okay. And a little bit might be fine. And if you, you know, I don't know, you know, a lot of things are unknown still. And, you know, that's why I welcome any kind of experimentation or knowledge or feedback or anything like that, testimonials, because it gives a wider variety of knowledge and information that is able to be improved for everyone's benefit. And it's not just this product, it's, all products can be tested and utilized and see what happens, you know. I'm willing to see what happens,

TalkToMeGuy: because, you know, I believe in this. I didn't mean to ask this, but I can't help myself now. Does this do anything to alter the soil that has been sprayed with glyphosate? Does it help remediate that out or break it down, or is there a factor with glyphosate?

Paul Gaylon : Well, I think the natural activity of the blue, green, and kelp, and those humus and phallivics, and even the minerals will tend to dilute it and break it down. And they chelate, again, they're, you know, I'm not sure how that chelation process works exactly, but they might, by adding certain nutrients, you're balancing out heavier metals. So when we did it, we did the analysis of the material. It showed no mercury. It showed almost a non-detectable, like two parts per billion of cadmium, like nothing, no lead.

I mean, hardly, I mean, I mean, less than foods. That was interesting. Under the documents, we had something called product analysis from AgroLab in Delaware. And you can see the, you know, you can see all the nutrients of the minerals. And then you can see all the, quote, heavy metals. And the heavy metals are extremely low, extremely low. And then also, there was the environmental sample of the microbiological screening. And that did well there, too. So all of the analysis were done, which I believe in.

And you know, I mean, it is a certified organic product through the Oregon Department of Agriculture. And they've been very helpful. And, you know, a real shout out to them. They've been absolutely great. And, you know, I really just appreciate all the opportunities and help that I've gotten along the way and gotten as far with this project. And I just hope I can get people to use it more. And this is about the stage we're at right now.

TalkToMeGuy: Okay, it's a great stage. Yeah. Now we're actually wrapping it up because we could go on for several hours. Oh, absolutely. Where can people find out more about the egg product? And other, you know, and it is an amazing research really, truly, when you go to the site, have a beverage, because there's great reading here, great reading. But how can people find all that for the listeners?

Paul Gaylon : Well, the site is called Pacific Plant Nutrients dot com. And that's where you go. The product name is called Mineral Max, M-A-X-A-G, capital A-G, as in egg. So Mineral Max, high minerals, A-A-G, Mineral Max, A-G. And that'll bring it up too. My name and number is there. It's Paul. Anybody can call me. You can email me at info at Pacific Plant Nutrients dot com. I'm happy to engage with anybody serious about learning more about it or understanding it or utilizing it or applications. And we have somebody who does a lot of the machinery and Davis, and he could help with any kind of application science and provide you some guidance there too. I could provide technical expertise. I mean, there's lots of, you definitely have support here, and we actually answer the phone. So, you know, it's pretty easy. It's true.

TalkToMeGuy: That was fun. This is great. Thank you, Paul. I knew it was going to be fun.

Paul Gaylon : Thank you. This came out great. I really appreciate being on your show. It's great. Love talktomeguy.

TalkToMeGuy: Thank you. All right. Have a great rest of the weekend, and we'll see you next week.

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