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If you would like to leave me a voice message with a question for a guest or a guest idea for a show, you can do that directly from the site and I will be notified. With that, Dr. Thomas Levy is a board certified cardiologist and a bar certified attorney. After practicing adult cardiology for 15 years, he began to research the enormous toxicity associated with much dental work as well as the pronounced ability of the properly administration vitamin C to neutralize this toxicity. He's now written 13 books with several addressing the wide ranging properties of vitamin C in neutralizing all toxins and resolving most infections, as well as its vital role in the effective treatment of heart disease and cancer. Others address the important roles of dental toxicity and nutrition in disease and health. Inducted in the Ortho-Molecular Medicine Hall of Fame in 2016, Dr. Levy continues to research the effects of ortho-molecular application of vitamin C and antioxidants in general on chronic degenerative diseases, including heart disease. His ongoing research involves documenting that all diseases are different forms and degrees of focal scurvy arising from increased oxidative stress, especially intercellularly, and that they benefit from biooxidative therapy protocols that optimize the antioxidant level of the body while eliminating pathogens.

In particular, the cause and effect relationship between oral cavity infections and all heart attacks is now solidly established. Dr. Levy joins us to talk about curing the accureables. Welcome, Dr. Levy. Hi,

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: Richard I’m glad to be here.

TalkToMeGuy: Glad to have you here. I've only got about four hours of show notes. I'm kidding, kind of. I'd like to start by asking you, why the JD? I mean, it wasn't hard enough becoming a cardiologist. Then you went back and thought, well, I'll do this. Was it just a self-protection tool or...?

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: Well, pretty much self-protection. That's fairly accurate. At the time, I was in the early 1990s. I met Dr. Hal Huggins in Colorado, Spain's Colorado, probably the most significant biological dentist or dentist of our time. Insofar as he integrated all the problems with dental work with so many different medical problems in the body, like Dr. Weston Price had done many years earlier. But anyway, without needing to go into excess detail, I was impressed enough with Dr. Huggins. He seemed to like me that for a number of reasons, in the early 1990s, I literally just gave up my cardiology practice and started to do complicated work with Dr. Huggins' patients at his clinic in Colorado Springs. He saw patients from around the world with many advanced diseases that I had never seen respond well before anything. And as I like to say, my medical education began with a dentist, Dr. Huggins. Anyway, in the course of seeing all these wonderful things, I also saw how vicious things.

So much of the public can be when somebody is out of the mainstream and perceived more susceptible. Dr. Huggins, wonderful person, did so much good. He actually had a lawyer on retainer in Colorado Springs, probably to the tune of $15,000 to $20,000 a month just to handle the nonstop garbage that came in from people just wanting to harass them, bother them, get a piece of the action as it may be. And anyway, he did so well. And I had so much time on my hands that at some point in time, I got the wild and crazy idea that the next step was a law degree.

And so I did my commuting from Denver to Colorado Springs for three years and got it. And as you pointed out of the outset, yes, a bit of a self-protective type thing because there's a little more concern before somebody attacks you when you're a lawyer than not. And I think it's helped a few times already, but it certainly helped also, if you will, the clarity of my thought and how I expressed myself, how I analyzed things.

So it might have been a pretty expensive and expensive way to do it, but I definitely found it was clearly beneficial to my goals of trying to do solid research and educate the public as honestly as possible and as significantly as possible.

TalkToMeGuy: Makes me think of Jonathan Wright, who's a doctor who has a clinic still up in Tahoma, Washington, that somewhere in between the 70s and 80s, they came into his offices, meaning people in flat jackets with guns seized all his equipment, seized all his records, seized all his computers, took everything, put him out of business for about a year while they seized and harassed him. And I think what he got harassed for was giving B-12 shots.

And if he'd been at JD, I bet that would have gone a lot faster for him. And it just, it makes sense. He's really sort of, I completely understand why you'd want that ability to protect yourself because there's so much you're wrong and we're going to take you down. Kind of weirdness going on. Well, it's the basic concept

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: of trying not to be the lowest-pigging fruit.

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah. Yes. Yep. That could be on your card for your JD side. That would be great. What is orthomolecular medicine?

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: Orthomolecular medicine. Orthomolecular is a term coined by Dr. Linus Pauling, the double well prize winner back in the 70s, I believe. And it was shortly after Dr. Pauling met Dr. Irwin Stone, who had written an extensive book on vitamin C and all the things that it does, and pretty much Dr. Stone introduced Dr. Pauling to vitamin C, who later wrote his book on vitamin C and actually a world of good and getting the concept of the importance of vitamin C to the world population. But in the course of that, Dr. Pauling quite elegantly outlined that true medicine needed to be orthomolecular.

And what did he mean by that? I mean, ortho is correct. Molecular is molecular agent. The idea being then that all diseases, all medical conditions, literally 100% of them, involve the depletion, moderate, minimal, severe, of one or more natural agents.

And the only way to resolve those conditions are to restore those levels. Okay, so you never get a deficiency of chemotherapy or penicillin or tetracycline in your body, but you definitely get deficiencies of vitamin C and vitamin D and vitamin D, magnesium and other things that we've all now clearly shown just because it gets ignored by mainstream medicine doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That we've clearly shown underlie all diseases.

And what determines how severe the disease is, generally speaking, is what other conditions do you have that's consuming those metabolic agents so rapidly, which is usually chronic dwelling infections or the new exposure to new toxins.

TalkToMeGuy: That's a mouthful. I'm familiar with it because for years, for a number of years, I traveled around doing whole-effects, those and various kinds of events. And I always would run to any lecture where Richard Coonan was speaking of medical doctors who started the San Francisco branch of ortho-molecular medicine. And so I've heard him talk about it a lot and he was really brilliant and I really miss him in the universe. So I've always thought it was a leading edge kind of thinking and I'm excited to hear yourself speaking about it. And I think it just makes some sense. Give the body the attention.

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: I would say it's not the leading edge. I could think it's the only type of thinking. Medicine, modern medicine, or I shouldn't call it modern, I should call it contemporary medicine, current medicine, they make no attempt at all to understand why the disease is there. It identifies a system. You got a headache, you got a fever, you got muscle aches, you got joint pains.

We invented this product that interrupts these metabolic pathways and then the pain gets lessened without any concern, awareness, interest at all in why the disease or medical condition arrives in the first place. So I wouldn't call it a leading type of thinking. I call it the only real thinking. I mean, what else should a physician be doing other than making his or her most sincere effort to understand why a pathology exists? And yes, if you have something to reduce a symptom, fine, but don't make that the entirety of your treatment. Identify what's causing the pathology and also direct your attention at eliminating that cause or modulating it or knocking it down as much as possible. This is where we talk about the infections in the mouth, the deranged gut, all these sort of things. We need to just weed, meaning contemporary medicine needs to just stop being symptom oriented and money oriented and try to identify the causes of diseases and not be deterred or my sentences, not be deterred that the most effective therapy might be an inconsequential cost and you're just unable to legitimately soak the public to to deal with that condition.

TalkToMeGuy: Oh boy, there's a whole show right there, but I won't start us that direction because it just blows my mind. When did vitamin C come into your focus? Well, with Dr.

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: Hubbins, that's really what blew me away at the time was. I had not yet left my cardiology practice. He said, well, I should come over to my clinic and see what we do, see if it was good, see if you think we're doing something good.

And I said, sure. And I still remember one of my first few visits over there, a little old lady in a wheelchair was getting into the dental laboratory. And my goodness, I checked in every now and then she was getting extensive dental work, extractions. I mean, for hours, this is the type of thing like with a college kid with some teeth extracted, he or she goes to bed for a week and just knocks the struts out from you completely. And what the case was with this little old lady was she started getting more and more energized visibly during the procedure.

And I said, how is this possible? And by the end of the procedure, she was asking her caregiver, you know, for a great meal somewhere in Colorado Springs that night with with whatever teeth she had left to chew with. And about that time, Dr. Huggins walked in and I said, how okay, I guess, tell me what's going on here. And he pointed at the IV bag. I said, who? All right, I know about IVs.

IVs don't do this. He said, well, it's what's here that counts. I said, okay, I'll bite. What's in the IV bag, or Dr. Huggins at that time.

And he says 50 grams of vitamin C, that's 50,000 milligrams of vitamin C. Now, yes, this is the age where the government tells you 75 milligrams, a thousand fold less is really what you need on a daily basis for this lady was getting a thousand fold more than the recommended daily allowance of vitamin C in the IV bag. And she was lighting up like a freshly blossom rose. And literally at that instant in time, I said to myself, I don't know what the heck is going on here.

But I'm not in the habit of denying what my eyes have witnessed. And that literally began almost instantaneously, my own personal voyage trip. Camino with vitamin C with all the research and probably about four years later, I came up with my first vitamin C book.

TalkToMeGuy: Wow. If I remember, I know Linus Pauling did the leading research on vitamin C, but there was a Dr. Kleiner who was using vitamin C before that, wasn't he? Or was he? Do I have those timelines correct?

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: That's correct. But to give proper credit, and not give proper credit, Dr. Pauling promoted the fact that vitamin C is wonderful. He didn't have a clinical practice. He wasn't a physician. He didn't treat any patients. So it wasn't like his personal, but he did take a lot of vitamin C himself.

So he clearly believed in what he was doing. But Dr. Kleiner, Frederick Kleiner, and I don't use this term very often, practically never is the genius involved in the applications of vitamin C. Dr. Albert St. George, probably I think in about 1937, won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for the discovery of vitamin C. And I still have been unable to figure out how Dr. Kleiner decided this or figured it out. Somehow, he was fascinated by vitamin C and shortly after his discovery, pretty much got together with one or more companies that start producing vitamin C because at a time when vitamin C was very uncommon and still virtually unknown as a supplement, Dr. Kleiner was getting high multi-gram doses, I mean, 25, 50, 75 grams for intravenous infusion. And somehow decided that giving this was going to knock out infections and health diseases. Turns out he was right, but I have no idea what gave him the boldness or the audacity to just strike out and put such a large amount of a substance that pretty much not too many people knew anything about them.

A lot of people don't know much about it now, but then for sure nobody knew much about it and got incredible results, probably one of the most incredible, prototypical results that Dr. Kleiner got and he published it in a paper in the late 1940s when there was a polioapidemic going on and he was in North Carolina, Reedsville, North Carolina. And being on the medical staff of several of the hospitals in Reedsville, he got his share of people who presented to be emergency room without a physician. And so over, I think probably several months, I don't know exactly how long, he saw 60 infant and child cases of acute polio.

Many were documented with spinal tap, but all the diagnoses were for sure because they were identical political presentations in the middle of an epidemic and diagnosis was not the issue. Anyway, by giving a combination of injected and oral vitamin C, in three days he completely cured 57 out of 60. And he continued the therapy for two more days than the other three and then they were completely resolved and cured as well. So right there he showed definitively that he could cure 60 out of 60 cases of polio. So why on earth are we given the damn vaccine?

Why on earth is this being ignored? How much benefit do you think the vaccine has done? The vaccine always has side effects and lots of people have problems with the vaccine. Some studies show that the polio vaccine even caused more polio than it allegedly prevented. But be that as it may, science be damned.

Clutter clearly proved how curable it was and this has largely been ignored to the present. For people that don't realize it, vitamin C is the primary source of energy to yourselves. It's literally the fuel on which your cells run. Now, I mean, there's lots of other things that provide energy, lots of other things that support vitamin C and they all interact together in what I call a large antioxidant matrix throughout your body. But you stay low on vitamin C, you stay sick, you stay high on vitamin C, you stay well and you live longer.

It's really that simple. Vitamin C supplies and distributes electrons. What are electrons? Electrons as they move in volume and rapidly is called current.

Current exists in biological tissues, in what gives tissues health because it is a reflection that electrons are moving through the tissue and it's also what generates the healthy transmembrane voltages that have been well documented to be associated with healthy cells. So vitamin C, really the greatest injustice to vitamin C is calling it a vitamin. It should really just be called nutrients C or nutrient escorbitant. It has vitamin-like qualities in so far that if you get practically none of it in your diet, you develop the deficiency disease called scurvy. But generally, a vitamin is not needed in larger amounts than what it takes to prevent the deficiency disease. That concept though has been completely shattered by vitamin C because you need tons of it because your body used to make it genetically and for whatever reasons by mutation we lost that ability. But when we look at animals of a comparable size to the human body that did not have this genetic loss of being able to make vitamin C, an animal the size of a 150-pound person can make 8, 9, 10, 11 grams of vitamin C a day and here's the important part, and inject it directly into your circulation. So at the beginning, that amount of vitamin C directly in your circulation means a massive amount would need to be taken orally because iobitamin C is not that well absorbed in order to achieve that same end.

And when these animals are given life-threatening infections, the liver production of the vitamin C can go up to 20, 30, 40, 50 grams a day or more. So the problem is is nearly all of us are in the same sick basket if you will. Okay, it's very difficult for physician, statisticians, health officials, etc. to properly analyze what's causing or alleviating a disease when there is really no normal control of population because we're all affected by this. This is why age 40, 45, 50, we have diabetes, we have high blood pressure, we have fibromyalgia, we have migraines, and we take three or four or five medications that relieve the symptoms and we call good health, we meaning the population in general, symptom control on a large number of medicines age 50 and above. I mean you don't see any animals in the wild injecting insulin for their diabetes and they don't die of diabetes, okay, because they make the vitamin C in their rivers from glucose.

That's really why you have so much glucose in your body is because it's being supplied as a substrate to your liver which unfortunately is now no longer able to convert it into vitamin C and instead it accumulates to excess so that humans are fairly unique in having diabetes because we're no longer properly metabolizing and turning the glucose into vitamin C in our bodies.

TalkToMeGuy: I'll refer to my grandmother for just a moment. My grandmother lived to be 106 and she died somewhere in the 70s and she actually came across the United States from Michigan to Utah in a wagon so that's how long she had lived and my grandfather and grandmother lived in Krole and they grew all their own food and they had their own cattle and they had a farm and to them they ate organically their entire lives without ever using that word or knowing that that was was a word exactly. They just that's how they ate of course you know let's have a barbecue well I'll go kill something I'll get a chicken out of the you know pasture and now a lot of years later we're in a situation where we have toxins in our soil we have toxins in the air that we're breathing we have just a lot of pollution added pollution so it's even trickier in my mind that we don't produce vitamin C. I think my dog used to look at me in the mornings when I was taking vitamin C because I dissolve it in water and drink it and my dog is looking at me like why can't you make your own vitamin C what's wrong with you I make my own do you think that we really need to because of the total toxic load of the atmosphere and the foods and just everything it seems even more vital to be taking vitamin C that's an odd way of asking a question okay no no question at all relative to what's advised namely 75 milligrams

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: we should be taking massive doses of vitamin C a day you see the thing is there's a big difference between staying alive and reaching optimal health of the big big difference okay and and the body perhaps unfortunately in one respect can take a large amount of abuse until you realize that what your lifestyle is is it coming close to giving you your chance of optimal health what I've seen so many times now with people who are for the first time really understanding appreciating discovering vitamin C and they start taking vitamin C especially in a life of so encapsulated form I've worked with a company called live on labs for some years now and really they make about the only in my opinion proper life of so preparation out there because it's a lot of fraud in the life of so business and after people take a few packets of this life of so mc for a few days they start feeling so much better in general they're very quite puzzled and they suddenly realize that whoa this is what health is supposed to feel like I mean there's so many things that you have and you never get rid of them they finally become part of the noise in the background even if you accept it but then when you start dosing high levels of vitamin C all of a sudden the lakes and pains gone all of a sudden the dish is crisper and clearer all of a sudden you're remembering things and you said wow I couldn't remember that before that was always bothering me headaches disappear energy goes up and people then develop what I call a renewed health intuition what I mean by that I mean that not only does the vitamin C raise their overall level of health to a level that they've never before appreciated it also makes them keenly aware when that firing level of health becomes compromised so let's do you feel absolutely fantastic one day and then the next day you don't feel sick you know you can still do everything but you just not at the top of the mountain anymore and you know it's been intuitively and infectious or toxic hit on you and then you hit the vitamin C extra hard that day perhaps from a few other good supplements like Magnesium and vitamin D that we might talk about and then lo and behold you go back to that good level of health because you identified a new source of toxicity because that's how infections damage you is by deploying new toxins you were able to identify and eliminate that new source of toxicity and rapidly get back to your relatively perfect level of health

TalkToMeGuy: so you're preferring the the live on labs lipozoal will see I take a powdered buffered vitamin C that I just did two grams per scoop and I take that four or five times a day well let me say this and I

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: when you say buffered vitamin B I hope you don't mean calcium ascorbate no I do not okay because that's what a lot of quote unquote buffered vitamin C's are calcium ascorbate whereas sodium ascorbate also causes no stomach upset and doesn't give you a toxic load of calcium you may or may not realize I've written a book called death by calcium and the amount of calcium we take in supplements in our diet is the major contributor to the level of toxicity we have in ourselves promoting all disease so so as long as you're not taking the calcium that's fine and let me just say you can get pretty much all the benefits vitamin C with the less costly forms but you have to be very dedicated you have to take them on a regular basis in good amounts whereas a proper liposome encapsulation like live on is literally actually a long acting form of calcium why do I say that because it gets absorbed quickly and completely into the lymphatics and then distributed through the blood supply to all the cells and then because of the liposome it gets taken up into the cell without the consumption of energy and then gets trapped there so basically you uh whereas when you take regular vitamin C I'm not putting your regular vitamin C down it gets into the blood but it doesn't have the same encapsulation that helps it get inside the cell and instead a lot of it then gets excreted in the kidneys before it has a chance to get taken up so Bottom line is I personally and with some other individuals, I mean I love for example interviewing this vitamin state.

It's phenomenal beyond imagination for so many different things. However, I've had equipment clinical impacts with a much lower gram dosage of oral liposomal encapsulated secret liver and resolve the infections. I've only discovered that because when I first got the product many years ago, I had closed my clinic and then I got sick with the flu and I couldn't go run in and get an IV vitamin C anymore and I've already taken so much regular powder that I had intolerable diarrhea and I still felt sick. And I saw this product that they had given to me to try out. They told me it didn't cause a bowel effect so I said that's great. I took about five grams of that orally and then within an hour I felt better than I'd ever felt before after a 50 gram vitamin C or V. Now that's my experience, very anecdotal, but to one degree or another I've seen that type of experience repeated multiple times now and it's beyond what we want to talk about here but there's very good solid reasons why a properly produced liposome is like a little artificial cell that's tinier can merge with the cell walls, merge literally merge with the cell walls because it has the same membrane around it as the cell. It was actually created as an artificial cell back in the 60s. The only problem and let me repeat it, I think by this listing is live on, they started about 18 years ago, it's had such a phenomenal growth that everybody and this brother and sister has come out with a supplement that they call liposomes.

I mean it's just fraudulent beyond all imagination but until the FTC comes in and shuts you down, you can do anything you want or say anything you want. The problem is even though those do have vitamin C and people get better and figure they're getting better because they're taking liposomes, no, they're getting better because they're taking vitamin C but they don't get the benefit and this is really tragic like in a cancer patient or something like this of the truly supreme intercellular delivery with good liposomes such as what liposome makes.

TalkToMeGuy: So you think you can get the same kind of, I'll use the term hit from a liposome, we'll see that you would from an IV vitamin C.

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: Yes I do, if you take enough, if you take enough, okay. It's very easy for good health just to take one or two packets a day but let's say you're being, having some sort of syndrome or problem that you'd want to go get an IV for or a clear cut infection or something like that and when you consider the fact that going and getting an IV or vitamin C might cost you let's just say $150 for 50 grams. Well for much less money maybe $60, two boxes of this which is 60 packets, one gram each you take five packets every hour for a day or two and you get to save if not a better effect in my experience.

TalkToMeGuy: And you're getting the benefit of the that fatty substance bonding to the outside of the cell so it's still readily available, okay.

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: It's a very positive supplement in and of itself, that's correct. Awesome.

TalkToMeGuy: This leaves me, I'm going to jump slightly because I see what our time is and I want to talk about hydrogen peroxide, nebulizer hydrogen peroxide because it seems to fit into the same category of you have something, you feel something and you want to live or call hit it now. Would you talk about the hydrogen peroxide nebulization? Sure. Be protocol, whatever the however we're about to.

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: I have to process nebulization. First of all, and I take it as an indication that and I know it's been helping a lot of people around the world get the emails off the time is I wrote a book on hydrogen peroxide nebulization called rapid virus recovery. No need to live in fear and I've made a point of giving away the e-book. I only charge once I order the physical book and we now have over 200,000 people downloaded by the book and it's caused a great deal of upset in the mainstream medical community that's come out attacking hydrogen peroxide is this horrible caustic agent that causes all so many problems and the last thing it should do is be inside your lungs. Well, I've got news for those people that they want to listen to scientific reason is that the cells and the line cells, the cells that line your respiratory airways naturally secrete hydrogen peroxide into the airspace. It's the body's natural mechanism to deal with every time you take a breath and breathe in a pathogen. Your body puts out some hydrogen peroxide to deal with that pathogen.

It's absolutely the most elegant type of therapy there is. Now, anything that can kill a pathogen can be toxic if you take too much or too high a concentration. So it's absolutely ridiculous to talk about what 10 or 50 or 70% hydrogen peroxide can do to you or burn your skin when we're talking about 3% or less. There's really no substance on the planet other than actually maybe vitamin C that's not toxic. You drink too much water, you die.

That's pretty toxic. So what we found with the hydrogen peroxide utilization is your number one, this is another thing too. People think 3%, that's so concentrated. Well, you're only inhaling a fine list of it. It's not like you're coating the airways with liquid hydrogen peroxide.

They very recently came out with an article where they looked at animal lung cells with the cilia and they found that soaking, soaking those cells and hydrogen peroxide start killing the cilia. Well, of course, because it's concentrated and also because they're not treating a pathogen. The hydrogen peroxide there in higher concentration is to kill a pathogen.

This is well documented outside the body, inside the body. Hydrogen peroxide is the body's natural mechanism, often it can jump right in the sea to destroy a pathogen through a reaction called a femtoreaction inside the cells. And what's also elegant about it, Richard, is when you have a high pathogen concentration in your nose, throat, airways and you inhale the proper concentration of hydrogen peroxide.

A number of things happen. Number one is the peroxide rapidly kills the pathogen. Number one, number two, when it finishes killing the pathogen, it breaks down into two things, water and oxygen. Now there's nothing better for healing a damaged tissue than oxygenation and hydration. And furthermore, the added water form allows increased mucus formation so that you can further cough out whatever debris might have been generated with the breakdown of the pathogen.

In point of fact, it's absolutely the most ideal anti-pathogen therapy. And for those who are religious, it's God-given. For those who aren't religious, it's nature-given. But it's the way the body is supposed to work. And the actual clinical data that we've accumulated is just enormous. I have seen, I would never do this because it would be unethical to find a COVID patient and tell the COVID patient, well, just nebulize this peroxide.

Let's see how you do. Because there's so many other things that could help. So many other things that could resolve COVID. Well, I gave a nebulizer to a friend of my wife in Columbia, South America. That's where her wife is from.

She used it to resolve her cold very quickly. And she asked me, can you leave with a machine here? Give it to me. I said, sure.

$30 machine. Thank you. And over the course of the next year, as the pandemic hit, she became the doctor of her little burial. Very bright young lady. She saw 20 people in her burial that had advanced COVID. What do I mean by advanced COVID? Well, many of them not only had the positive tests, but they were also severely short of breath.

I mean, I would, without being dramatic, say they were all 20 were pretty close to dying. Now, we think about vitamin C and vitamin D and all these other things we take all the time and they're great and they're wonderful. But guess what? When you are poor as a stump, you can't afford any vitamin D. You can't afford any vitamin D. You can't afford any supplement. You can't afford any quality organic food, anything like that. So my point is, by necessity, these 20 patients receive only hydrogen peroxide nebulization. My friend did an incredible thing by modifying the protocol so that all 20 got a full 3% concentration, which is basically the over the counter preparation of peroxide and nebulize them for a full 30 minutes, three times a day. So that was 90 minutes of nebulization alive. Now that's what I routinely recommend.

That's a large amount. And if you're not fighting a really deep seated infection, you'll start oxidizing tissue and causing problems, but not in these patients. A bunch of them said, well, it burns a little bit, but wait, I'm already breathing easier.

So I don't care. It could burn out of mind. She treated for three days, lab resume, and the last two days, she cut the concentration in half and did it for 90 minutes a day for two more days. And in five days, there was a complete cure of 20 out of 20 advanced COVID patients with severe shortness of breath on hydrogen peroxide nebulization, nebulization alone. Again, I could never have done that because I would have been compelled to give us many other good things I want, but they weren't available. And this was able to show us the power of hydrogen peroxide nebulization, the hydrogen peroxide in general inside the body for virtually any infection, but especially for COVID.

TalkToMeGuy: Wow. That's great. I just love that kind of here use this. And it's easy and simple. As you say, they don't go to the local pharmacy and get there, not pharmacy, but vitamin store and just pick up another bottle of vitamin C or vitamin D or, you know, right place, right time. Congratulations to everybody.

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: That's never been, not a fairy that's ever been known to bankrupt the family, destroy the college funds for the kids and make them lose the house and it'd be left in the street. I got to say modern medicine almost seems to enjoy doing that on a regular basis. I've never seen less sympathetic souls in my life and collection agencies from a hospital charging astronomical amounts and wanting for procedures. Let me just add, I was recently a Columbia, recently a Columbia and I had a minor outpatient surgical procedure.

I had a little tiny hernia on my navel. Okay. Now with the help of my friends down there, I went and I consulted with a surgeon, paid the clinic, got the anesthesia and the anesthesiologist and a full staff for an operating room had the procedure done.

Wow. Recovery room, work it out and you know how much they cost? $1,500.

And the United States about to start it at 20,000. I mean, how many stories do you hear about going into the emergency room, getting antibiotics on a bandaid and walk out with a $1,000 bill? Do you really think you get anesthesia, a surgeon, a room?

Point is, is we just unconscionable, unconscionable in this country as to how we destroy people's economic capacities with their largely fraudulent medicine and their deliberate suppression of things like I'm talking about that actually help and don't destroy the patient economically at the same time.

TalkToMeGuy: That's another show I'm making a note. That's another show we could do for the whole hour on easily. One of the things I can't remember if I read or heard you say this because I've listened and read so much by now, that you talk about we're walking around in life and we're inhaling and we're swallowing stuff that gets into our gut into our system every day, just that walking around breathing, whether it's a pathogen or it's a glyphosate or it's toxins from cars or just anything, anything possible toxins available to us. And then we go ahead. I think we should talk about that. So we swallow all that. Yes, go ahead.

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: I've talked a lot about chronic pathogen colonization in the nose, in the throat. And the nasty thing about chronic pathogen colonization is anybody who's had a cold or the flu or in the upper respiratory infection and gotten over it, clinically they feel fine, but they did not ever take an agent that could destroy the biofilms that always accompany these. They permanently have a chronic pathogen colonization in their nose, throat and airways. And what happens is when they swallow, every time they swallow, they swallow pathogens, they swallow toxins, the pathogens that do get destroyed break open and release a large amount of highly peroxidine free iron into their gut.

And this is why so many guts are deranged. And this is also a fabulous benefit of hiding the peroxidine depotization periodically, not every day, not all the time, not for long periods of time. Knocks out these pathogens and gut function recovers like you wouldn't believe. I had one patient report back to me, not a patient, somebody talked to me in the email that after they started the peroxidine depotization for a few months, not immediately, they completely resolved their Crohn's disease that they'd already had for years, bedridden tons of medications, wasting away the peroxidine depotization, completely resolved that condition. And it's a 16 year old kid who then became very active at school, sports and everything else. Another lady reported back to me about the black mold poisoning that her entire family had, multiple hospitalizations, had to move out of the house, ICU, etc.

Same thing when she and her family started peroxidine depotization, this occurred rapidly, didn't take months, almost immediately all their problems were gone from the black mold. So this is a powerful, powerful, powerful thing. We have so many, well we have a complete industry based on digestive adjuncts. I mean go to your pharmacy, your drugstore, and just see, or your Walmart, and see the aisles and aisles and aisles of antacids and antidiarrheals, anti-custopation, you name it.

And most people would not be anything at all, need that at all. I almost called, as a matter of fact, because I did write it for the pandemic, rapid virus recovery, but I had noted these effects on the gut before the pandemic. And I almost, I'm glad I didn't because it would have been not that properly appreciative, but almost called the book rapid gut recovery. Because it does that just as much. And because of the effect that it has on the gut, it normalizes, stops the leaky bowel, normalizes the abnormal microbiome that's making pathogens to creep toxins that you would normally get across a leaky gut, but you've resolved that leaky gut by stopping the pathogens that you swallow.

I think any protocol for treating anything should include a course of hiding the proxidinabilization, simply because of the effect that it has on an abnormal gut, which everybody now recognizes as negatively impacting every part of your body and every disease process that might be going on.

TalkToMeGuy: Only that. It just blows my mind.

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: And someone here, I mean, do whatever else you know helps. I don't think, for example, I don't think probiotics do do a whole lot of good, but I tell people, you know, if you feel it makes you better and if you feel better on it, by all means take it, but you're not really addressing why you have that problem.

TalkToMeGuy: Yeah. And somewhere in here, I can't remember the where, but I heard you mention, was in a show, I suspect, that what is the PBM society? Because this seems to be an effect that occurs, fascinatingly occurs from doing a lot of it.

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: That's funny, but it's an excellent question. All right. I have a lot of give and take in conversations with my friend Dr. Ron Honeyhack, the Aburrian Clinic, vitamin C capital of the world there. And when I first started nebulizing hydrogen peroxide, I did it long before the pandemic. I was researching my magnesium book, and I had a problem with my sinuses all my life. So I said, well, I saw hydrogen peroxide, another nebulization. I said, nebulization, that's what I need for my sinuses.

Something that's nebulized. So anyway, the first time I nebulized the hydrogen peroxide, I don't know, about one o'clock in the afternoon, the next morning, I had the most incredible, perfect bowel movement of my life. I mean, I was in my sixties at the time. I never had a bowel movement like that in my life, you know. Little loose, that well formed.

This one was perfect. And I talked to my buddy Dr. Ron about that. He started the nebulization. Same thing happened to him. So we jokingly formed what we call the PVM, the perfect bowel movement society. So we're a chairman and CEO of the PVM society.

TalkToMeGuy: I would definitely wear that hat at any of the conventions I go to now. I'd be happy to be wearing the PVM society hat. I think it's an amazing, because we have so many bowel issues. There's so much writing about microbiome and good health and what you've been doing.

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: But the other thing we're talking about this, Richard, is for myself, you know, I can really tell you what happened to me, sometimes with that with my patients, but with regard to this, for myself, let's just say for a week or two, bowel movements, perfect, perfect, perfect.

I don't nebulize that much, very rarely these days, very rarely. But one day, toward the end of the day, there'll be a little bit of a loosening of the bowel. Not diarrhea, but just not the super well formed bowel movement anymore. And I might notice it's not a tickle in the throat, just a little drip or two out the nose and I'll say, aha, something's coming back.

I nebulize like crazy. And then the next day, bowel movements are perfectly normal again. Nose is perfectly fine. So for me, the decline in the quality of the bowel movement is for me, a perfect indicator that I'm starting to contract or be exposed to colonizing another new virus or pathogen in my nose and throat.

TalkToMeGuy: So you have a built in sort of monitoring system that we can use as a level like, oh, it's an indicator. Exactly.

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: I have a lot of people that have told me their bowel movements have approved. I haven't extensively interviewed them to see whether or not they're really turned, really tuned into the nuances here, like I just said.

But for me, it's very elegant, works extremely well. I've done it multiple occasions. Over the past year, there's probably been four or five times where, oh, it's not so perfect today.

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: Hit the peroxide nebulization one time and then everything's perfect again the next day for several more weeks to months.

TalkToMeGuy: What do we need to nebulize? I think we should, I see we're heading toward the end zone. What do we need to nebulize? Do we need expensive medical pieces of equipment?

Do we need special gadgets and things? How do we nebulize? Are we using a cannula? Are we holding it to our face with a mask, like the plastic mask that they have with some nebulizers? How do we nebulize?

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: Well, it's kind of funny. My perception is shortly after all this started and the books started getting out and lots of people started nebulizing. All of a sudden, people started telling me, I can't get a nebulizer. Amazon or somebody says, I need the prescription.

I mean, wow. The thing is, this is a simple device that's been around for ages, probably used mostly traditionally for treating asthma or pulmonary conditions in kids, adults too, okay, and it's absolutely not a prescription item, although they're legitimately was for a brief period of time, not anymore, ironically enough, a requirement by some of these websites to have a prescription before they did it. I mean, however, that's no longer a problem. They probably realized how foolish it was, maybe, but anyway, a nebulizer is a simple air pump. It's really not a complex device. It just blows out air at a high rapid rate. And when you have the nebulization chamber, it's designed to the one you put four or five or six CCs of whatever it is you're nebulizing.

In this case, 3% or a lower concentration of hydrogen peroxide, the air jet somehow blasts that peroxide against a fixed obstruction and that puts it into a fine atomized mist, which you then inhale. And it comes with mass and it comes with a mouthpiece. I think most of the time, it's good to use the whole mass because if you have something in your throat, you undoubtedly have it in your nose and airways as well. However, sometimes if you feel fine and you just really feel something is isolated in the throat and nowhere else, you can use the mouthpiece and do it more directly for the throat where you swallow.

But in general, you want to treat as much of the upper airway passages, nose, throat, nasopharynx and oral pharynx as you can. And it's as little as $30. There's as much as $80 or $90. You can have special features if they're smaller rather than larger. But if you're not somebody that travels a lot, much at all, get one of the larger units and it just sits wherever you want to sit in the house.

You're not going to be moving it around. It'll work perfectly fine pretty much for as long as you're alive. These are simple devices and they don't break down. Now, they do have what's called the portable handheld nebulizers that use a different technology. And when they work, they work fine, but they break really easy and they're pretty expensive.

So, I mean, if you have the excess cash and you travel a lot, you might want to get one of those as well. But for the basics, you just need a good air pump nebulizer with the appropriate connections and they all come with the connections. You don't buy just the nebulizer.

You get all the connections that come with it and you're set. I mean, you just plug in the tune, put the liquid in the chamber at the indicated level, not too high, not too low, turn it on and you see the fine mist coming out of the mask and you inhale that. A lot of times when somebody does this, the first couple of inhalations are kind of tough.

They are a little off-putting. But I don't know if it's an acclimation process or a slight combing of it, but after the first two or three breaths, then all of a sudden it becomes completely easy and relaxed. As long as it's packaged, once you've knocked out the pathogens, then you can start irritating warmotition. And people can figure that out for their own, don't overdo it at the start and do whatever it needs to help relieve the infection in the symptoms.

TalkToMeGuy: And are there any precautions about using it too much? Like, let's say you're fighting some bronchial infection or sinus infection. You feel like, you know, it doesn't have to be an infection. Maybe it's just an allergy attack. Can you do it too much too often? Is there any potential?

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: No, no, no question. Hydroperoxide is an oxidizing agent. And if you just repeatedly breathe in much higher concentrations of peroxide than your body naturally makes, on normal tissue, it's going to oxidize and inflame that normal tissue and give you the sneeze and even sometimes cough or sore throat. So absolutely it can be overdone. So everybody needs to figure out what works best for them. But I'll tell you what, you do nothing but good if you've already got a clear cut infection that you try to clear out. Wonderful.

TalkToMeGuy: It's just too cost effective. That's the problem. It's just like what a simple ability to have something that's on every shelf at every drug store in America or grocery store.

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: What is the cost effective that hydroperoxide is cheaper than water? How about that?

TalkToMeGuy: That a whole different show. Wow. That's amazing. That's really amazing. I am stunned to find we're at the time when I want to ask you where can people find out more about you and your work? And do you see people or are you out of that realm? No, I don't do consultations.

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: I don't have a clinical practice. My website is peakenergy.com, P-E-A-K-E-N-E-R-G-Y .com. And I have an Instagram account, Dr. Thomas Levy, D-R Thomas Levy, at D-R Thomas Levy. And we have a lot of information we put up there. And I welcome emails, but it needs to be understood. I'm not going to do consultations. Okay? So don't tell me I've got this. What do I do? Okay?

Yeah. You can tell me a situation or something and I'll send you information resources. I have three or four books that people can download for free. They're also available in Spanish on the downloads. And lots of different articles that address all the issues I'm talking about. And I have no problem with somebody emails me sending them back those resources. And the email is simple. It's T-E-L-E-D-N-D-T-E-L-E-B-Y-M-D at Yahoo.com.

TalkToMeGuy: That's a flashback. Okay. That's great. Dr. Levy, that was great. I knew it was going to be fascinating, but that was great, fascinating, and fun. Thank you so much.

Thomas Levy, MD, JD: That was wonderful. Thank you. Thank you for having me. I appreciate the opportunity to talk to your folks. Take care.

TalkToMeGuy: Yes. Thank you. And everybody else have a great rest of the week. We'll see you next week. Bye-bye.